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extreme paranoia with hardware wallets
1341 sats \ 7 comments \ @lloyddunne 25 Oct 2023 bitcoin
I'm a big fan of hardware wallets, mainly used the coldcard and it truly is amazing.
But one thing that potentially kept me up at night was the trust of seed generation. I know you can do dice rolls and all that but you are still trusting that it is a genuine random seed that is being generated.
should we normalise an offline seed generation process, with something like borderwallets.com along with either a python code or seed tool - bitcoiner.guide/seed for checksum and verifying?
i think its a rewarding process to follow as gives you lots of information and you know that you have picked the seed in a randomized way.
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46 sats \ 0 replies \ @quark 25 Oct 2023
I think dice rolls are pretty good. Put them in a box and move and spin the box like crazy for 1 week. Then you have a random number 😃
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20 sats \ 2 replies \ @sime 25 Oct 2023
In cryptography (the original 'crypto'), it is said: don't roll your own cryptography.
We should also normalise 'don't roll your own dice': https://crypto.stackexchange.com/a/87982
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @TwoLargePizzas 26 Oct 2023
That Man vs Machine game is actually kinda fun. I did lose against the machine but once I understood what was going on it wasn't that hard. Here's my score.
Man       425	44.32	-
Machine   534	55.68
To be honest I don't think this game is actually proving much. If anything it seems like you need to be less random to win.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @sime 25 Oct 2023
We have dedicated hardware that solves this because humans are useless, without lifting a finger: https://www.st.com/resource/en/application_note/dm00073853-stm32-microcontroller-random-number-generation-validation-using-the-nist-statistical-test-suite-stmicroelectronics.pdf
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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @CruncherDefi 26 Oct 2023
With coldcard you can verify that device used the provided dice-roll seed. They have python script that can reproduce hardware derivation on you PC via python script.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @lloyddunne OP 26 Oct 2023
yes again, i love the coldcard! I think border wallets offers a great way to generate offline seeds and have it so that you can leave bits of paper laying around and not be too worried!
ofc should also keep steel backup!
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @DeltaClimbs 25 Oct 2023
That's why I made this: https://21baller.com/
Totally trustless seed generation
Check back in a week or so and we should have our btcpay server back up
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