The problem lies with Samourai, who has created coinjoin software so bad it is indistinguishable from a fed backdoor. If those devs were adults, actually intending to create a secure coinjoin implementation, they'd fix those issues. They have not.
Hopefully, they're just children rather than feds.
Interesting, I'd love to read about this fed backdoor thing... all I have ever heard is childish rock throwing from both sides frankly. Very few mature explanations of tradeoffs.
So this is about the default Samourai mobile wallet? IE if you aren't running your own Dojo? I've heard this debate between the two teams. See, when you don't explain WHY you don't like x and you don't debate it fairly in the way those you oppose would agree with you lose credibility with me. Peter Todd doesn't seem to be being clear with the tradeoffs. Its much easier and fun to just say x sucks.
In my many years of working in tech I've developed a pretty quick BS detector. Sometimes folks just suck at explaining things but most of the time these people don't really understand something well enough explain it. Instead they just just say x sucks because of y and never explain x or y. Then act like you're a dummy because you don't believe them. Its a special kind of person.
Issue 1, "Negative Value Toxic Dust" seems like much ado about nothing. It's only in vary rare cases that you will run into this, and most of the time the toxic change amount is too significant to simply roll into the miner fee. If anything this is a feature request.
Issue 2, "Coordinator Fee Address Reuse" this feels like a stretch calling it a bug. So what if the coordinator is reusing addresses? Not like it impacts users in any way.
Lol who among us hasn't done this with an annoying colleagues emails, delete them pretend I never got them and tell them to resend it and it buys me a few more days
All the smack they talk on Twitter (X) called me a boot licker because I asked about how to solve bitcoin crimes besides the nonsense bitcoiners say with “old fashioned police work”
As a victim of such crime you bet your ass I would pay someone to track addresses and hopefully catch the thieves who stole from me
if you using samourai you ngmi
Explain....
https://github.com/nopara73/ScamouraiWallet/blob/master/README.md
FUD of the Wasabi against Samourai
Would be nice if devs could act like adults. I say this as a dev.
The problem lies with Samourai, who has created coinjoin software so bad it is indistinguishable from a fed backdoor. If those devs were adults, actually intending to create a secure coinjoin implementation, they'd fix those issues. They have not.
Hopefully, they're just children rather than feds.
Interesting, I'd love to read about this fed backdoor thing... all I have ever heard is childish rock throwing from both sides frankly. Very few mature explanations of tradeoffs.
Surely there is a well written explanation out there of all the trust issues with Samourai.
Here's Peter Todd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPNFdhZUGmk
And Greg Maxwell: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg51128834#msg51128834
So this is about the default Samourai mobile wallet? IE if you aren't running your own Dojo? I've heard this debate between the two teams. See, when you don't explain WHY you don't like x and you don't debate it fairly in the way those you oppose would agree with you lose credibility with me. Peter Todd doesn't seem to be being clear with the tradeoffs. Its much easier and fun to just say x sucks.
I agree- Samourai continues to decline any debates, I would really love an explanation from them myself.
I find it very weird to think of someone who is coinjoing but is also not using their own node... like who even does that?
I had a feeling this was a waste of time. Sorry I asked about this.
Thanks... a 1 hour video... wow.
It's the very first question in the video, you don't have to watch the whole thing.
Only Samourai have issues? Any Coinjoin implementation have
Woah. It's that bad hey?
I've never used coinjoins... seems like a hot wallet honeypot tbh
Trezor offers coinjoins with full privacy for cold wallets.
Me too. Kruw is a Wasabi developer and people from Samourai confirmed it for me, and I also checked on BitcoinTalk and it was confirmed again.
Sometimes we don't need to FUD each other because of ego. I think this fight is endless nonsense.
https://i.postimg.cc/fydsK3N3/mixers-monkey-fight.jpg
In my many years of working in tech I've developed a pretty quick BS detector. Sometimes folks just suck at explaining things but most of the time these people don't really understand something well enough explain it. Instead they just just say x sucks because of y and never explain x or y. Then act like you're a dummy because you don't believe them. Its a special kind of person.
Haha. True
It's called "Peer Review", and it's not FUD, read the issues for yourself.
Ah, so this is the reproducible builds thing.
No, not at all.
Issue 1, "Negative Value Toxic Dust" seems like much ado about nothing. It's only in vary rare cases that you will run into this, and most of the time the toxic change amount is too significant to simply roll into the miner fee. If anything this is a feature request.
Issue 2, "Coordinator Fee Address Reuse" this feels like a stretch calling it a bug. So what if the coordinator is reusing addresses? Not like it impacts users in any way.
For issue 2, Wasabi was hounded by samouria for years for reusing the fee address. It is quite ironic
Haha lol, I was not aware of that. That is indeed highly entertaining.
Thank you for actually reading
FUD
Lol who among us hasn't done this with an annoying colleagues emails, delete them pretend I never got them and tell them to resend it and it buys me a few more days
Mhh, Sparrow uses Samourai, not sure what to make out of this
Craig is a smart man. Make of it what you will.
not a good look
All the smack they talk on Twitter (X) called me a boot licker because I asked about how to solve bitcoin crimes besides the nonsense bitcoiners say with “old fashioned police work”
As a victim of such crime you bet your ass I would pay someone to track addresses and hopefully catch the thieves who stole from me
Why deleted?
Mmm, I thought their code was not open source.
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underrated response
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