I am glad Lopp did this. I trust his research and he is a great writer. I am convinced, but I do wish he wouldn't be coy and withhold his opinion as to Satoshi's identity. He doesn't need to be definitive.
imo, talking about who is or isn't Satoshi is a waste of time.
Sure, it's interesting but why do we want to know?
If Satoshi ever shows up again, nothing good will come from it.
There are too many people who are used to authority and will gladly agree with whatever Satoshi says. Bitcoiners are no exception.
Satoshi disappeared for a reason. We should respect that reason.
People want an authority to tell them how to value things, but they choose this authority not based on facts or results. They choose it because it seems authoritative and familiar.
-- quote from the movie The Big Short
edit: kind of funny to quote this below a link to Lopp's blog
Sure it's just a matter of curiosity. I take your point about the dangers of his returning. His opinion would hold a tremendous amount of weight. I'm not worried, though. If he is alive and decided to stay out of the blocksize wars, I think it's safe to say he won't be tossing his weight around in the future.
Yes. I have heard this argument about plans for 3d printing weapons. I'm always suspicious of these arguments as really being an attack on free speech. In the U.S. we hear about dangerous misinformation that later is accepted as fact.
Interesting, haven't though of this in the context of free speech before.
I just thought about this as a way to evaluate information. Is this information valuable? What can I do with this information? What could this information do if it gets into the hands of "wrong people"?
So more from a privacy perspective. But now I see the context of free speech clearly, lol
No. His opinion doesn't matter anymore. Bitcoin is not anymore what was in the years of SN. All these speculations are just useless. Guys please stop all this crap. Anything you hear as "news" about SN are exactly to manipulate your perception. SN is dead. Live with that. Forever.
So Lopp is lobbing an implicit threat to those protecting the identity of the real Satoshi in order to push the tech in a direction that doesn't too obviously obsolete Casa?
No. You are looking into the wrong direction. You are looking where THE NOISE is telling you to look, and not to the right direction. Is not about Casa here... is about Bitcoin. But I think you are too new into Bitcoin to "detect" all the noise. That means his article did the right job.... People do not pay attention nowadays to the details and always go where the noise exist.
I am certainly newer than you in bitcoiner years. But would love to learn more about signal vs noise in this perspective.
Seen Lopp at a conference. He seemed a bit of a dour fellow.. somehow I see you as merrier. 🙂 He's also made cool contributions like steel backup tests. And I don't envy the swatting attack.
You think it's a retaliation on Bitcoin-maxis for all the shit he gets for adding Ethereum support? (That still involves Casa indirectly though, so maybe I'm lost in the noise again).
Okay, so not Lopp. Hal was curious about mining and carbon emissions. So he might be used as an argument against PoW..? Naa.. too weak.
Excluding Hal decreases the anonymity-set by 1 and is therefore an attack on Bitcoin. What motivated anyone to spend months attempting this, and then writing about it.. just to milk engagement? Publishing it now instead of at least waiting a few decades does not indicate the writer coming from the best of hearts. Similarly to how Wikileaks were jeopardizing the project by accepting BTC so soon.
Whoever was behind Satoshi may still be alive, but may have been corrupted or moved on ideologically.. hence Satoshi is as good as dead, and resurrecting him through narrowing down which meatbag hosted him is facilitating attacks.
I hope we never find out who Satoshi is/was. As noted in the blog, the myth will always be greater than a man could ever be. Satoshi was a pseudonym, it is up to the Bitcoin community to decide the ethos of Satoshi and no man could measure up to a mythical hero. I just hope, whoever Satoshi is, they know how grateful so many of us are for not just what was built (a peer to peer electronic cash) but for the reasons for building it (a fairer system).
Personally, I'm convinced the most likely candidate is Len Sasseman. It's merely a curiosity, and of course we'll never know, and I'm glad that we'll never know (and also I hope we never know).
Lopp did a big mistake with this article.
Same like Wikileaks did with the announcement they accept bitcoin back in the early years.
Few...
It just occurred to me that Stacker News and Satoshi Nakamoto have the same initials.
Coincidence? :)
You revealed the mistery: @Car and @k00b are the ones hiding behind the pseudonym of Satoshi Nakamoto.
I actually like Super Testnet theory on who Satoshi is. He told me one time on a long road trip. One of my favorite stories of his.
So why you didn't killed him?
What a big mistake...
Welcome to the club lol
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Hal Finney was Hal Finney we know this.....
🤘🙏💀👀😜🎉🤩
I am glad Lopp did this. I trust his research and he is a great writer. I am convinced, but I do wish he wouldn't be coy and withhold his opinion as to Satoshi's identity. He doesn't need to be definitive.
imo, talking about who is or isn't Satoshi is a waste of time.
Sure, it's interesting but why do we want to know?
If Satoshi ever shows up again, nothing good will come from it.
There are too many people who are used to authority and will gladly agree with whatever Satoshi says. Bitcoiners are no exception.
Satoshi disappeared for a reason. We should respect that reason.
-- quote from the movie The Big Short
edit: kind of funny to quote this below a link to Lopp's blog
Sure it's just a matter of curiosity. I take your point about the dangers of his returning. His opinion would hold a tremendous amount of weight. I'm not worried, though. If he is alive and decided to stay out of the blocksize wars, I think it's safe to say he won't be tossing his weight around in the future.
I wonder if knowledge about Satoshi's true identity is therefore an information hazard
Yes. I have heard this argument about plans for 3d printing weapons. I'm always suspicious of these arguments as really being an attack on free speech. In the U.S. we hear about dangerous misinformation that later is accepted as fact.
Interesting, haven't though of this in the context of free speech before.
I just thought about this as a way to evaluate information. Is this information valuable? What can I do with this information? What could this information do if it gets into the hands of "wrong people"?
So more from a privacy perspective. But now I see the context of free speech clearly, lol
I'm ambivalent myself. Do I want easy to follow plans to build a nuclear warhead readily available?
Like if satoshi were the NSA?
This is total bullshit
Could be
Could also be the reason no one knows who satoshi is
and is better that we just consider that he's dead.
end of story.
No. His opinion doesn't matter anymore.
Bitcoin is not anymore what was in the years of SN.
All these speculations are just useless.
Guys please stop all this crap.
Anything you hear as "news" about SN are exactly to manipulate your perception.
SN is dead. Live with that. Forever.
https://i.postimg.cc/sXmH6BvR/vader-power-dark-side.jpg
Why contribute to narrowing down the possibilities of who Satoshi is/was?
Because many people nowadays want something from this...
https://i.postimg.cc/sXmH6BvR/vader-power-dark-side.jpg
So Lopp is lobbing an implicit threat to those protecting the identity of the real Satoshi in order to push the tech in a direction that doesn't too obviously obsolete Casa?
No. You are looking into the wrong direction.
You are looking where THE NOISE is telling you to look, and not to the right direction.
Is not about Casa here... is about Bitcoin. But I think you are too new into Bitcoin to "detect" all the noise.
That means his article did the right job....
People do not pay attention nowadays to the details and always go where the noise exist.
I am certainly newer than you in bitcoiner years. But would love to learn more about signal vs noise in this perspective.
Seen Lopp at a conference. He seemed a bit of a dour fellow.. somehow I see you as merrier. 🙂
He's also made cool contributions like steel backup tests. And I don't envy the swatting attack.
You think it's a retaliation on Bitcoin-maxis for all the shit he gets for adding Ethereum support? (That still involves Casa indirectly though, so maybe I'm lost in the noise again).
Again, don't focus on Lopp... that's not the point.
Okay, so not Lopp.
Hal was curious about mining and carbon emissions. So he might be used as an argument against PoW..? Naa.. too weak.
Excluding Hal decreases the anonymity-set by 1 and is therefore an attack on Bitcoin. What motivated anyone to spend months attempting this, and then writing about it.. just to milk engagement?
Publishing it now instead of at least waiting a few decades does not indicate the writer coming from the best of hearts. Similarly to how Wikileaks were jeopardizing the project by accepting BTC so soon.
Whoever was behind Satoshi may still be alive, but may have been corrupted or moved on ideologically.. hence Satoshi is as good as dead, and resurrecting him through narrowing down which meatbag hosted him is facilitating attacks.
Hot or cold?
No. Is just noise, to keep you busy making useless assumptions around this subject.
I hope we never find out who Satoshi is/was. As noted in the blog, the myth will always be greater than a man could ever be. Satoshi was a pseudonym, it is up to the Bitcoin community to decide the ethos of Satoshi and no man could measure up to a mythical hero. I just hope, whoever Satoshi is, they know how grateful so many of us are for not just what was built (a peer to peer electronic cash) but for the reasons for building it (a fairer system).
I am convinced now 😃 What do you use? I use tabs. Sorry Satoshi 😃
Spaces all day. Two spaces with bracketed languages. In languages where indents have meaning, 4 spaces.
In a perfect world, we'd probably all use tabs though. Strategy changes when anyone begins using spaces though.
sorry for non-dev question buy isn't tab just 4 spaces?
Tab is a special whitespace character. Space is another.
Most IDEs and dev tools defaults to replace 1 tab with 4 spaces, and not to use the tab character.
So your preference for spaces is game-theoretic? You're admitting that tabs are better?
:)
Between you and me, yes. ;)
You don’t need to know who Satoshi is. Bitcoin just works!
Why is lopp spending significant resources to investigate the real world identity of Satoshi?
This blog post spends significant resources acquitting a real world identity of being Satoshi. Lopp is supplying doubt.
Lopp is attempting to decrease Satoshi's anonymity-set by one.
This may look like a good thing if you very strongly believe it actually was Hal. Otherwise...
Personally, I'm convinced the most likely candidate is Len Sasseman. It's merely a curiosity, and of course we'll never know, and I'm glad that we'll never know (and also I hope we never know).
A great read.
no is not. Is just a garbage manipulation.
Just because is coming from Lopp it doesn't mean was written with good heart.
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In my two short years of Bitcoin deep dives, extensive reading and research, I have never heard that Hal had a neighbor named Satoshi Nakamoto.
No, this article is smoke and mirrors...
Again, is not about Lopp, Casa and what they did with ETH.
We are all Satoshi
Super-interesting analysis, thanks for posting it here!