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188 comments \ @saloon 14 Oct 2023 \ yesterday

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Saddle on up to a stool and spill the beans about your day, fire away with them questions, or let loose and give us the lowdown on your wild and woolly life. We're all ears, so don't hold back!

We're open round the clock, so mosey on in whenever you please!

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 15 Oct 2023

How many posts and comments were deleted before they ever existed?

This almost became one of them, lol

In memory of the less than forgotten

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 15 Oct 2023

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22 sats \ 2 replies \ @BitcoinIsTheFuture 14 Oct 2023

Wedding season. Off to my 2nd wedding in 3 weeks

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

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81 sats \ 24 replies \ @k00b 14 Oct 2023

Continuing hunting for this caching issue that is destroying my mind body and soul or write the saturday newsletter?

0 sats \ 9 replies \ @ek 14 Oct 2023

So it's not confirmed that vercel/next.js#51823 is causing this as mentioned in the ticket?

0 sats \ 8 replies \ @k00b 14 Oct 2023

I'm pretty sure that's not the issue at this point. Let's say we're running deployment id A, when we load pages, the path requested for SSR data will look like .../A/...json. All the appropriate cache headers are set, e.g. no-store, no-cache.

When we deploy deployment id B, the browser/pwa (unless its a fresh navigation or reload) continues to request .../A/...json on navigations. Even though .../A/...json doesn't actually exist, ie its a 404 if visited directly, the service worker returns an empty response with status 200 ... so effectively all the data is stale.

You can recreate locally by building production builds and manually altering the deployment id between builds.

What's weird is that the service worker doesn't appear to be serving the empty responses from its cache (at least it doesn't say that it is) ... so where are they coming from? Again, visiting the path directly results in a 404 so nextjs isn't sending the 200s.

It has to either come from the service worker or the browser's cache but neither of them should be storing it.

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @k00b 14 Oct 2023

I'm pretty sure I've ruled out the service worker returning stale responses under normal circumstances because if I manually call fetch('.../A/...json') with default options in the browser console, then the service worker reports 404.

So it maybe nextjs calling fetch with weird options that's causing the issue.

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @k00b 14 Oct 2023

Looks like it is nextjs. It's calling fetch with a X-Nextjs-Data: 1 header. If I remove the header, it 404's like it should.

Here it turns a 404 to a 200 on the server: https://github.com/vercel/next.js/blob/c6fe20a31ff4f62ee75c08cd0eae9ceaba7ec50d/packages/next/src/server/lib/router-server.ts#L205

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @k00b 14 Oct 2023

If you run this in the browser console while on https://stacker.news it'll return 200 for an arbitrary data request.

const headers = new Headers()
headers.append('X-Nextjs-Data', '1')
fetch('https://stacker.news/_next/data/this_doesnt_exist.json', { headers }).then(console.log)

100 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 14 Oct 2023

If I remove the middleware it works as expected and 404s.

I guess I should report this a bug to nextjs.

100 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 15 Oct 2023

All this software between us and our users almost makes me believe I want to be a hardware engineer, not a software engineer, lol

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11 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 14 Oct 2023

I see, must be related to how their client side navigation works since only during client side navigation, these /_next/data/ routes are called, I think.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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21 sats \ 13 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

do what makes you happy:)

10 sats \ 12 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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0 sats \ 11 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

what good movie should I watch tonight?

https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/8QDUfFv2ZIwP.png?o=1

0 sats \ 10 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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7 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

I think I watched this one too

0 sats \ 8 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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7 sats \ 2 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

watched, great movie!

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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121 sats \ 4 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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21 sats \ 3 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

I like this one, thanks @nemo

SN hidden feature, asking for good movies:)

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33 sats \ 18 replies \ @cryotosensei 14 Oct 2023

What is the longest period of time you managed to hold on to your cowboy hat?

For some reason, 4-5 days is my record. Does this mean that I’m not zapping enough consistently?

21 sats \ 6 replies \ @carlosfandango 14 Oct 2023

You need to work hard to maintain your hat….. there are dangers that only a hat can protect against.

131 sats \ 5 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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12 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 14 Oct 2023

👀

It was fun while it lasted. I must move on to new things.

(sets aggressive reminder for every day to keep cowboy streak up)

I wonder who the next victim will be in the top 5?

11 sats \ 3 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

but it will not protect you from being called shitcoiner from @DarthCoin once you are shitcoining 😂

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @carlosfandango 14 Oct 2023

It will not protect you from a mauling by an enraged nemobadger…

22 sats \ 1 reply \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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11 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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21 sats \ 9 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

53 days so far, I think generally being active - sharing interesting things or commenting on good stuff and zaps is the code to maintain the hat.

9 sats \ 8 replies \ @birdeye21 14 Oct 2023

you're forgetting where you have to spin three times and say a prayer to @DarthCoin at the end of each day

30 sats \ 7 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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21 sats \ 6 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

what movie are you watching tonight @DarthCoin

https://i.postimg.cc/5NfVqQN3/home-office-choke.jpg

35 sats \ 5 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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34 sats \ 4 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

wait, happy belated birthday @darthcoin

21 sats \ 3 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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24 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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33 sats \ 5 replies \ @birdeye21 14 Oct 2023

the saloon. https://media3.giphy.com/media/JU4dLmUzKWgZgr2VkY/200w.gif?cid=82a1493baegxrqp1nuc7mokg16zpqnen0no5dt4nvf2ypufz&ep=v1_gifs_related&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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21 sats \ 3 replies \ @birdeye21 14 Oct 2023

Doesn’t show for you?

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

always.! and have to read my VPN post!

66 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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212 sats \ 3 replies \ @k00b 14 Oct 2023

I need more writing tools that allow me to remove I from my writing. Writing with humility seems to require underscoring fallibility in the point of viewer.

"seems|feels [like]" can do some mileage but there has to be a bunch of other stuff out there.

111 sats \ 2 replies \ @elvismercury 14 Oct 2023

I know what you're saying -- reading text full of "I" can be off-putting -- but something to consider is whether you're thinking about it at the right level of abstraction.

You could try to reduce the 'I' by literally crafting the text so that it doesn't contain it, so there's like a textual reduction of first-person-ness
You could try to write from a more general / universalist perspective, de-coupling whatever you're saying from personal contextual issues that don't matter

In my experience, a lot of people confuse #2, which is often worth doing, with #1 which is kind of dishonest -- you're still just as present in whatever you're writing about, you're just hiding it.

100 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 14 Oct 2023

This is nice framing. I find myself doing (1) more than (2). (2) can feel dishonest sometimes too. Like, who am I to speak for the universe? You can end up stretching the cone of your perspective wider than you deserve to.

personal contextual issues that don't matter

This is so tough but fair. The easiest stuff to write is personal.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @elvismercury 14 Oct 2023

Buried in there is another generally unspoken thing: the contextual issues that don't matter are devilishly hard to identify. Sometimes the fact that it's your story is why people care, at all, about the story.

So now there's a dialectic between these assorted desires: to subsume the I, to tell the truth, to give of yourself. It's hard to know the right thing to do.

45 sats \ 1 reply \ @premitive1 14 Oct 2023

the saloon blows up on a saturday, huh?

I drove to the DMV to renew my driving license but as I arrived half an hour before they opened I found a long ling of people already waiting to also do something there. I decided to try again next week, but an hour earlier.

36 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

Something interesting I have noticed: the fee in Boltz is 0.1% or 0.5% sometimes? 🧐

642 sats \ 8 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 14 Oct 2023

@k00b @Car do you guys still promote SNL on fountain? That might be a good way to continue to drive growth on SN

317 sats \ 1 reply \ @Car 14 Oct 2023

No we sure don’t but the pod is growing year over year at this point. I imagine it will be very “successful” in its third year, usually when podcasts “break out.”

We use transistor to track accurate metric podcasting data, (anchor and spotify inflate numbers about 1000%) and so we average between 150-200 downloads every episode. With our YouTube views we have about 250-300 views/downloads every episode last year around this time we were at about 65 views/downloads total.

I actually would love to support fountain with sats in some capacity in the future. Right now we really just do it for the Stackers and SN community, both myself and keyan have day jobs so this is more a labor of love. We also think it’s very important to see what people voting with their sats think is the most important bitcoin news of the week.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 18 Oct 2023

No we sure don’t but the pod is growing year over year at this point. I imagine it will be very “successful” in its third year, usually when podcasts “break out.”

We use transistor to track accurate metric podcasting data, (anchor and spotify inflate numbers about 1000%) and so we average between 150-200 downloads every episode. With our YouTube views we have about 250-300 views/downloads every episode last year around this time we were at about 65 views/downloads total.

Wow, thanks, great insights! A friend of mine in university actually had the idea to start a podcast where we just talk about life in our university. So it would be a podcast targeted at fellow students at the same university.

We never followed up on this idea though. Interesting to hear that it takes 3 years for podcasts to "break out" :)

55 sats \ 3 replies \ @k00b 14 Oct 2023

I’m not sure we ever did. Car?

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Car 14 Oct 2023

No we haven’t but we could? 🤷‍♂️

11 sats \ 1 reply \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 14 Oct 2023

I know I’ve heard ads for SN, maybe I am imagining SNL having been a promoted pod 🤷‍♂️

25 sats \ 0 replies \ @Car 14 Oct 2023

🤣 I actually made a joke yesterday on SNL that I don’t talk about it at all, but the fact that people keep coming up to me lately telling me they like it is astounding.

I have this “theory” in bitcoin the less you talk about the things you do the more attention you get for it.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 14 Oct 2023

LOL

22 sats \ 4 replies \ @deepologic 14 Oct 2023

Today some lunarpunk art https://i.ibb.co/cL2D5FR/Lunarpunk.jpg

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @elvismercury 14 Oct 2023

I've heard the term lunarpark several times lately, but don't fully grok wtf is it, and explanations seem inconsistent. What do you mean by it?

100 sats \ 1 reply \ @deepologic 14 Oct 2023

It's simple :) https://youtu.be/QA3YZVDUN5s

7 sats \ 0 replies \ @elvismercury 14 Oct 2023

That what really helpful -- thanks.

7 sats \ 0 replies \ @carlosfandango 14 Oct 2023

Nice!

55 sats \ 0 replies \ @oraltosun 14 Oct 2023

[url=https://ibb.co/hB2vPCk][img]https://i.ibb.co/hB2vPCk/IMG-20231014-124837-1.jpg[/img][/url] It's time for cracking some walnuts.

55 sats \ 2 replies \ @RealCoachAndy 14 Oct 2023

Howdy everyone!!! Saturday is finally here and the weekend has begun, yesterday was a strange day, felt some weird vibes, I didn't feel so upbeat but rather drained and groggy but today is a new day so let's crank up the tunes, light up the grill and just chill. So I wish you all a phenomenal weekend, may it be filled with love, joy and profit. Remember that you are one hell of a person, unique and important, in all this we call life you matter, don't forget that. Thank you, thank you, thank you for being. Be well and stay frosty!!!

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @carlosfandango 14 Oct 2023

Go-Go-Go Saturday!

22 sats \ 0 replies \ @RealCoachAndy 14 Oct 2023

You knooooow it!!!! Let's do this!!!!

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @siggy47 14 Oct 2023

Speaking of bitcoin conferences, I'm listening to Snowden at Pacific Bitcoin right now. He just said: Gary Gensler is not Daddy Bitcoin. I don't care what he thinks about bitcoin, and I don't think you should care either.

I love that quote.

33 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK 14 Oct 2023

Gensler is ''Daddy want to make a big career in DC. on the Dem ticket''. He's a cuck.

33 sats \ 2 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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3 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 14 Oct 2023

Yes. I fucked up, although actually he was like us. Nowhere, just floating in the ether.

33 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @bitcointerest 14 Oct 2023

@DarthCoin I think you will approve. https://twitter.com/HumansNoContext/status/1713072175156953428

34 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 14 Oct 2023

Eggs and sausage for breakfast

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @JerryGarcia 14 Oct 2023

While the firelight's aglow Strange shadows from the flames will grow.

33 sats \ 13 replies \ @DarthCoin 14 Oct 2023

Why bitcoiners go to bitcoin conferences? Nowadays we have an inflation of bitcoin conferences. I mean a real bitcoiner will hear and see the same thing that he already knows about Bitcoin.

I think these conferences should be more populated by nocoiners, pre-coiners, noobs etc. For me personally, I would not waste my money to go to.

I would prefer local meetups and workshops than fancy conferences that in the end do not say anything new, and on top of that, will bring meaningless shitcoiners and companies that only want to shill their shity product that is not even related to bitcoin, they just pretend to be.

Yes, on the backstage, many other workshops are happening, but why we can't have real public workshops that could bring more merchants to know about all these bitcoin solutions, real use cases how to use bitcoin FOR FUCKING PAYMENTS, not "asset speculation" and crap like that?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @amaluenda 17 Oct 2023

The essence of these events, in my view, should indeed shift towards educating those who are not yet part of the Bitcoin community.

33 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

For me personally, I would not waste my money to go to. I would prefer local meetups and workshops than fancy conferences that in the end do not say anything new

same, but I don't like conferences in general, mostly a waste of time, I rather meet Bitcoiners privately.

100 sats \ 8 replies \ @siggy47 14 Oct 2023

I have been going to more Pub Key events, which are sometimes like mini bitcoin conferences. I have never gone to a big one. I must admit that I'm tempted. If I go it will be more to meet and talk to other bitcoiners than for the speakers.

43 sats \ 5 replies \ @BlokchainB 14 Oct 2023

This is why I want to go I been to a few meet ups around me but they end up dying

90 sats \ 4 replies \ @siggy47 14 Oct 2023

I know we all want to protect our identities, but I would really like to have the opportunity to talk to a lot of you guys in person.

33 sats \ 1 reply \ @BlokchainB 14 Oct 2023

Yea I go back and forth about this privacy identity stuff. But then the idea of privacy is to selectively reveal yourself as you wish to the world plus knowing how I am I’ll end up Doxing myself sooner or later

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 14 Oct 2023

Me too. Using an alternate identity doesn't come naturally for me.

83 sats \ 1 reply \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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51 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 14 Oct 2023

I actually met my first SN member last night live and in the flesh. He's not a big poster, and I didn't know he was on SN until he told me. So, that guy was real, I think.

33 sats \ 1 reply \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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77 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 14 Oct 2023

I agree. I tend towards being a hermit. I like meeting other bitcoiners in person.

23 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 14 Oct 2023

Good morning everyone. Not much going on here.

338 sats \ 5 replies \ @orthwyrm 14 Oct 2023

Day 182 of snailposting everyday 'til BTC hits $100k.

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51 sats \ 0 replies \ @Public_N_M_E 14 Oct 2023

🫡

74 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 14 Oct 2023

👍

83 sats \ 0 replies \ @bitcointerest 14 Oct 2023

__@_'-' 182 and counting.

84 sats \ 0 replies \ @carlosfandango 14 Oct 2023

Weekend is here…. Snail is here…. All is right with the world!

83 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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100 sats \ 10 replies \ @carlosfandango 14 Oct 2023

winds blew leaves to ground, the rain fixed them to the road, bicycle…. skid marks

22 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 14 Oct 2023

Were you lurking around my neighborhood this morning?

34 sats \ 0 replies \ @carlosfandango 14 Oct 2023

I promised an autumn haiku… I needed inspiration lol

187 sats \ 3 replies \ @Lux 14 Oct 2023

LFG! https://i.postimg.cc/g0g2hv2g/bikeheaven.jpg

33 sats \ 2 replies \ @carlosfandango 14 Oct 2023

Nice!

33 sats \ 1 reply \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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110 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lux 14 Oct 2023

We get lost, blaze some trails and then come back :)

108 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 14 Oct 2023

this is behind my house starting with mid october until end of november. There's a trail path through that wonderful forest up to the top. I always take that trail in autumn. Really relaxing.

https://i.postimg.cc/ZqP19LnY/oct-mountains.jpg

33 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

I randomly talked with someone yesterday who just brought a few aches lands this year, and he would build his house with his hand too, huge respect.

44 sats \ 1 reply \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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65 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 14 Oct 2023

when you live into the real nature, yes indeed is psychedelic. City people don't even know what really is.

44 sats \ 38 replies \ @DarthCoin 14 Oct 2023

Recommend me a good movie for today and will zap you if is really worth it.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @premitive1 14 Oct 2023

existenz

13 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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33 sats \ 10 replies \ @TomK 14 Oct 2023

The 13th Warrior

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @random_ 14 Oct 2023

The 13th Floor

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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33 sats \ 7 replies \ @DarthCoin 14 Oct 2023

saw it. Good one. Thanks. LOL strange you mention that right now, #283389

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @TomK 14 Oct 2023

Oh my goodness, now I need a drink. But nevertheless: best wishes to You!

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

wow.

https://i.postimg.cc/qq7L0C1D/darth-way.gif

33 sats \ 4 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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66 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 14 Oct 2023

I wish I would be out of this fractal world... I like randomness.

33 sats \ 2 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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33 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 14 Oct 2023

randomness is not chaos

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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33 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

Inner Worlds, Outer Worlds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08CnDSQelNg&list=PLD8E5F0D70B62BEFE

33 sats \ 15 replies \ @carlosfandango 14 Oct 2023

I don’t know how your Italian is but I have ‘Mixed by Erry’ lined up for this evening…

33 sats \ 14 replies \ @siggy47 14 Oct 2023

It's available dubbed in English on U.S. Netflix. I'm going to watch it, but the dubbing is really bad!

33 sats \ 13 replies \ @carlosfandango 14 Oct 2023

Oh. I do prefer original language and subtitles…

22 sats \ 12 replies \ @siggy47 14 Oct 2023

I'm only about 20 minutes in, but this was a great recommendation. I am thoroughly enjoying it, bad dub and all.

33 sats \ 11 replies \ @carlosfandango 14 Oct 2023

Phew! I’ll be watching it later

11 sats \ 10 replies \ @siggy47 14 Oct 2023

Did you ever get into Lina Wertmuller films?

0 sats \ 9 replies \ @carlosfandango 14 Oct 2023

I have not…

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42 sats \ 1 reply \ @Lux 14 Oct 2023

I learned to drive in this car when I was 6 years old. I rallyed on forest roads just like that. Best car ever imo :)

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 14 Oct 2023

actually is a very good car. I drove once that car.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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123 sats \ 12 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

Decided to slowly exit from fiat platforms, posting an announcement on Twitter, Medium and IG atm.

Trying so hard to gain likes or eyeballs to earn unlimited printing money is so silly, right. Yet, everybody is seemingly doing it subconsciously, but now we are given the opportunity to focus on creating something more meaningful and being rewarded with the most honest money.

0 sats \ 11 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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0 sats \ 10 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

that seems a bit irresponsible? not like I'm rug-pulling? haha 😂

0 sats \ 9 replies \ @nemo 14 Oct 2023

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0 sats \ 8 replies \ @Natalia 14 Oct 2023

to some existing audiences?

I think it's better to give some heads-up in advance: hey, I'm closing this account and if you would like to hear what I'm up to, here are the ways...