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345 sats \ 2 replies \ @siggy47 22 Sep 2023
I'm not suggesting that what I'm about to say should be done now. It may be too late. But, I played the fiat debt game. I wanted my little piece when the faucet was flowing. The real crime is that kids in my generation were taught to save your money in the bank. Stay away from debt. Meanwhile, the big boys borrowed as much as possible and now own the assets that appreciated during the Ponzi scheme. The savers are eating cat food in their retirement. OPM- buying assets with other people's money.
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323 sats \ 1 reply \ @Hypnagog 22 Sep 2023
This is a great point. Debt benefited everyone over the last 30 years. Especially big corporations . debt is a great tool in an inflationary environment.... I was taught to stay away from debt and I crawled at a snails pace compared to those who leveraged. Its a complete rethink of how I was raised
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157 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 22 Sep 2023
Very true. My father was considered crazy. He would tell everyone that saving money in a bank was for suckers. It became ingrained in me. I must say it scared the hell out of my wife when we were getting married. She hated debt. I wanted more.
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246 sats \ 1 reply \ @nullcount 22 Sep 2023
If debt makes you feel enslaved, you're doing debt wrong.
Poors use debt to buy consumables. Elites use debt to buy assets. Debt will also exist under a hard money standard.
Debt has liberated me, personally. If I had no debt, I would still be renting a roof over my head. Since I "own" my dwelling, I am free to make upgrades (like an ASIC mining central heating system that saves me money)
If I had no debt, I would still be living paycheck to paycheck, killing myself and wasting time working a dead-end office job. Instead, I used debt to make a large inventory purchase and kickstart my business.
Debt is a powerful tool for liberation OR it can be the gateway to enslavement. But the outcome has less to do with debt itself and more with how individuals choose to engage with debt.
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1307 sats \ 0 replies \ @nullcount 22 Sep 2023
Jimmy seriously suggests in the ep. that people who take debt are "stealing from savers" because most debt is issued as newly printed money that dilutes fiat holders.
This is like arguing that people who buy oil for their cars are responsible for drone bombing children in the middle east.
How this man is so well respected in the space continues to amaze me.
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31 sats \ 0 replies \ @orthwyrm 22 Sep 2023
Slow day at the fiat mines. I'm listening to this now, thanks.
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148 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 22 Sep 2023
Stephan, where should I start... you asked in the end of the show that you want to hear others opinions about this amazing talk with @jimmysong.
Sorry if is too long answer.
I will start with this, how I see Bitcoin:
Bitcoin is ENERGY stored in the most secured and brilliant way.
What people do every day, every minute? People are always in a continuous run for gathering energy, in many different forms: to eat, to store, to trade, to use it as money, to use it as savings. People depend 100% of energy. People are spending also large amounts of resources just for STORING energy.
And then Bitcoin comes and fix all of these problems: Bitcoin is pure storage for energy, secured by mathematical algorithms, something that will be eternal. If you own Bitcoin YOU OWN ENERGY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
Now comes the debt...
- Few years ago I end up all my debts. I pay them ALL. Then I withdraw all my money from the banks and bought BTC. Until the last cent. I took out even the pension funds and bought more BTC. I sold my car and I bought more BTC. I never stop accumulating it.
- Now I live happily from my BTC, a simple normal life, without any extravagances, in a rural village. I do not want /need anything more. Yes, many could say that I am crazy, but fuck them, they don't know what is a happy, quiet, stress-less life.
- Life without debt is so enjoyable.
- Maybe because I survived 20 years of communism makes me think like that, because I was forced to save EVERYTHING not just money, but even bread for the next week. Hunger and tyranny makes you sharp and strong and see the world in a very different way.
- Practically we are living in a debt slavery world. People are buying all kind of stuff, with money that they do not have it. Bitcoin come to fix this paradigm. You cannot spend more bitcoins than you have in your own control. It cannot be created more than 21 Millions. FOREVER.
So what “smart guys” are doing now? EXACTLY what banksters did in the 17th century: offering to those gold owners, a place to deposit their valuable gold coins, into a bank vault, in exchange for a piece of paper, an IOU of x amount of gold. Now they are offering digital platforms for Bitcoin owners, to lend their BTC for a % of interest. But nobody ask: “from where is coming this %of BTC interest, if will not be created more BTC?”.
They even push the idea of so called "stablecoins". Another fucking trap that only want to sustain the insane world of fiat debt slavery.
Even Michael Saylor say it very clear: he will buy all bitcoins available, will HODL them and later will lend them as collateral to all poor guys that today do not want Bitcoin. In plain sight you have the banksters and billionaires plan: to enslave you again in debt. If you still do not understand that, means that humanity deserve to be forever enslaved by few…
Also another aspect is that these platforms usually end up in scams/hacks/lost funds. Owners greed is so powerful that in the end will make them run with all the money. Happened many times in the past, it will happen again. Why? Because people are dumb and trust these platforms and give them their BTC. Simple as NOT YOUR KEYS = NOT YOUR BITCOINS.
Satoshi created Bitcoin EXACTLY to avoid all these practices and make people think and start SAVING MONEY for later, instead of borrowing more than they can afford. Many will say that this is against advancing in technology and building more new stuff. But I am coming and ask: what are you need for your daily life, basics, to live a simple and healthy life? The answer is simple: energy, food, shelter. So why are we not concentrated into that only?
Why do we need 2-3 cars/ family, why do we need 2-3 houses /family, why do we need 2-3 phones/individual, why do we need to buy stuff and food that we really don’t need it and so on…? We are living in a world full of unnecessary stuff, just for the sake of consumerism.
Bitcoin is changing the mentality of consumerism into mentality of savings. Save today for having tomorrow enough to buy the stuff you really need it. Don’t stretch you legs more than the duvet.
Bitcoin WILL PUMP FOREVER in value! No need for anything else than just HODL and use it when you need it most. More you HODL = more value will have in the future. Do not sell your BTC to billionaires! Is the only way to keep them away!
If you want to risk your money (and is a huge risk in this) for just few % of fake interest (based on fractional reserve), is up to you, but at least I did what I can and warned you about this.
To sustain this aspect, please watch these two amazing videos (one is a Spanish movie about a guy that won the lottery and one is an animated documentary about debt). Both documentaries are a must watch.
Concursante – Spanish movie (EN subs), with a guy that won the lottery but he entered into total debt, just because of the evil system.
The American Dream – animated documetary about how the american dream is actually a debt nightmare.
https://imgprxy.stacker.news/T2IKUqSARdG05nLWDpDiLKNYFE1pt7pJrs3C-sei8UE/rs:fit:600:500:0/g:no/aHR0cHM6Ly9pLnBvc3RpbWcuY2MvdDdHakNXblMvSS1oYXZlLXNwb2tlbi5naWY
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @stephanlivera OP 29 Sep 2023
What a comment! You make some good points, the way I'm seeing it though is more like, we will still have some debt on a bitcoin standard, but it will be the kind that is compatible with full reserve, not fractional reserve like we have now under the fiat standard.
I also think there will be more tendency towards living humbly, but we can't say that all people will do that. Of course, people have been wanting to flaunt their wealth for thousands of years...
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63 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 22 Sep 2023
When I see @jimmysong mentioned, I always hit the button to watch/listen/read.
He always drop some wise words and you have to listen carefully his words.
Thank you for this Stephan !
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 22 Sep 2023
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Car 22 Sep 2023
🤘 looking forward to listening to this one
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