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IVPN Light: short-term VPN access priced in sats, paid with Lightning www.ivpn.net/light/

4981 sats \ 22 comments \ @viktorv 19 Sep 2023 bitcoin

809 sats \ 4 replies \ @viktorv OP 19 Sep 2023

For those who never heard about IVPN - we've been around since 2010, we are privacy activists and Bitcoiners.

IVPN Light is an experiment in supporting Lightning adoption. It is admittedly not a novel concept, but it offers a unique combination of the following:

Short duration access option, you can get a “throwaway” VPN tunnel for 3 hours or up to 30 days duration
Priced in sats, not fiat, and it's quite affordable (500 sats for 3 hours)
Access to 5 exit locations or 1 MultiHop combination
Pay with BTC Lightning directly - no intermediaries
No account creation or PII needed

We look forward to your feedback and appreciate any ideas for improvement here or other channels: https://github.com/ivpn/ivpn.net https://www.ivpn.net/contactus/

We also have a "regular" VPN service supported by open-source apps: https://www.ivpn.net/

If you want to dig into our background and philosophy, I suggest starting here: https://tftc.io/tftc-podcast/392-resisting-online-surveillance-with/ https://www.ivpn.net/ethics/

140 sats \ 2 replies \ @ionisle 19 Sep 2023

An interesting feature here would be to allow me to run a client that isolates the traffic from my internal net but act as an egress point. This could help vpn be more useful as it would show from residential IP. Maybe by running the client I'd get a cut of the sats, and ya'll get a cut as the provider.

20 sats \ 1 reply \ @viktorv OP 19 Sep 2023

Thanks! While the idea has merit due to the benefit of looking like a residential IP which would solve a lot of VPN use issues, it could face reliability/speed and also privacy/trust issues. If a customer exits on your egress their potentially isolated, unencrypted traffic is liable to inspection by an entity they don't know and cannot vet - of course you won't learn their source IPs if they enter at an IVPN server, but it still introduces uncertainty. I think the risk-reward tradeoff is not good for privacy conscious users, while others might not be able to assess it properly.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @ionisle 19 Sep 2023

I agree for the most part, however I think using lightning one could theoretically come up with an incentive structure to make this work, if traffic out of the tunnel is encrypted(unencrypted traffic is an issue so point well taken), tls interception could be an issue, but would throw warnings on most modern browsers/clients. But I do agree this could cause a lot of issues with non-technical users. I worked on the AWS cloudformation team as a Security engineer, I may go check out your github and see if I can help out in anyway.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @devver 20 Sep 2023

awesome, are Monero payments planned for this service like the regular one has, for those of us more privacy oriented?

991 sats \ 2 replies \ @TonyGiorgio 19 Sep 2023

Interesting. Would you consider something like hourly / daily subscriptions paid over lightning by chance? Something we're looking to build support into @ Mutiny and I think the VPN use case could work out with something like this. Starting to focus heavily on building subscriptions on LN.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @viktorv OP 19 Sep 2023

Hello Tony! Yes we have considered it and done some research towards this. I can share more, email me (in bio) and let me know about your preferred channel to discuss further.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TonyGiorgio 19 Sep 2023

Will do later today, thanks!

161 sats \ 3 replies \ @Hypnagog 20 Sep 2023

Been using ivpn for the last few months. VERY happy with service. Anonymous account creation, pay with btc and super fast VPN.

Only drawback is that most servers are in the "5 eyes" countries. Canada, uk, us, Europe. Wish there were some more obscure countries.... I use Iceland almost exclusively.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @viktorv OP 20 Sep 2023

Thanks! We have exit locations in 35 countries. Do you have a specific one in mind which is missing from the list?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Hypnagog 20 Sep 2023

Would love to see some central america/south america ones.... I.e. el salvador!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @viktorv OP 20 Sep 2023

Thanks. Mexico is coming soon.

The issue with more obscure countries is:

Reliability - it's much harder to find a dependable data center that can offer close to 100% uptime and proper server controls that we require
Price - bare metal servers and bandwidth is much more expensive in such countries, and if real demand is not there to pay for additional subscriptions, it is clearly cost prohibitive (e.g. arranging this in Paraguay or Argentina is 5x costs compared to US/EU, or more)

Why big VPN providers can offer end points in many such countries? Because they don't rely on bare metal servers, but use VPS/shared hosting, which is cheaper, easier to replace and more expendable. We don't go down that route as it carries privacy and security risks.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @newnym 19 Sep 2023

Great to see more VPN companies adopting this business model and integrating with LN.

20 sats \ 2 replies \ @SovranSystems 19 Sep 2023

Yo! First off this is great! I did not know you were bitcoiners and also great job on hosting your own BTCPayserver! That is awesome.

I also just read your website that you now do yearly security audits! Well done.

I used to use your services, but I switched years ago.

Now, that I see way you are doing things, I will recommend you more.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @viktorv OP 19 Sep 2023

Thanks for the nice words. We've been using BTCPay for a long time, one of our favorite projects in the space:) - https://foundation.btcpayserver.org/