If fees to get your transactions on the blockchain depends on demand for that space, I would think that the amount of USD sent onchain and the number of active addresses daily would correlate to that demand. However fees remain fairly constant at ~13 sat/vbyte even though both of those values are trending downwads. I just don't get it.
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240 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 28 Aug 2023
Onchain is only for opening/closing LN channels !
Prepare your LN channels accordingly
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44 sats \ 6 replies \ @nullcount 28 Aug 2023
Fees are priced in sats per vbyte. Nothing about the definition of a sat or a vbyte had anything to do with USD exchange rate, amount of sats sent or unique addresses so I wonder why you think they ought to be correlated?
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10 sats \ 5 replies \ @purpurato OP 28 Aug 2023
Sending value over the network is why we use BTC, no? The amount of USD or sats that are sent daily shows how much interest the participants have in that use, and the amount of addresses shows how many different actors are involved in those transactions. The more people there are with more value to send, the more demand it will create thus rising price for space on the block.
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68 sats \ 0 replies \ @nullcount 28 Aug 2023
Sending value is only one reason to use BTC, it might even be the main reason. However, BTC is a ledger for posting vbytes on the timechain. That's all. Those vbytes can represent locking and unlocking scripts to "send" sats. But those vbytes can also be used to establish payment channels (Lightning Network), "anchor" data from altcoin chains (Liquid Network), put messages in blocks ("Chancellor on the brink..."), host JPEGs of 8-bit monkeys (Ordinal Transcriptions), or JSON objects that represent token transfers (BRC20) or even keeping botnets online. You can even use up a ton of vbytes doing wallet maintenance (UTXO consolidation a.k.a. self-transfers) or doing fancy script 'programming' onchain with miniscript. It also cost exactly the same to send 1,000 sats onchain as it does to send 1,000 BTC (assuming it's just one UTXO input, single sig). Therefore, every use of a vbyte does not necessarily correlate to any value changing hands. It certainly does not matter how you choose to denote that value (USD exchange rate).
As for the addresses: unique addresses do not identify unique users. A user can have many addresses. Further, a single address might be shared by many users (in a custodial or multisignature relationship).
Since the following are true:
- fees are measured in sats/vbyte
- addresses are not 1:1 with users
- vbytes are not 1:1 with value transferred
...it follows that USD transaction volume and new address use can decrease while fees remain flat.
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10 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 28 Aug 2023
No. We use BTC to fuck fiat and make it obsolete.
This is bullshit fiat mindset with "sending value over bitcoin network", is just a replacement of paypal, but still using fiat.
Stop thinking like that and remove slowly the word USD from your vocabulary.
We are using only bitcoins / sats.
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515 sats \ 1 reply \ @purpurato OP 28 Aug 2023
I just want to be left alone minding my own business and free to keep the value of my work in the best way I see fit, I also want to have peaceful and voluntary ways to exchange/transfer that value across the world with no censoring or restrictions.
I am in no mission to fuck anyone or make anything obsolete, if that's your fight it's ok, don't count me in.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 28 Aug 2023
fiat have no "value". Is just a lie.
Don't fool yourself.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @netstatic 28 Aug 2023
It's not just to send value, it's to hold value. In other words Bitcoin is an asset thats primary use does not have to be as a medium of exchange for accessing the blockchain as a payment rail.
The amount of USD is different from the amount of sats that are sent daily, they are not interchangeable as your usage of the word "or" would imply. If each sat were worth $100 one day and each transaction would send thousands of sats, does that show less demand than today where people still send sizable denominations of Bitcoin?
There are also more ways to transact using Bitcoin than only making on-chain transaction (see the lightning network). And, to the chagrin of some who thought there would only be monetary use-cases for the Bitcoin blockchain, there are also people who use the blockchain for its immutable properties (see ordinals and inscriptions). These allow for individuals to make low value transactions with high fees (in which case dollar amounts would be a poor metric for measurement).
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @2bithits 28 Aug 2023
They will go much higher in the future
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 28 Aug 2023
Bear market. Fees have been very high for some time largely due to ordinals. Not sure why they have dropped recently.
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31 sats \ 4 replies \ @k00b 28 Aug 2023
If you see giant squares in block templates, it's ordinals.
See: https://mempool.space/mempool-block/0
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1000 sats \ 3 replies \ @Murch 28 Aug 2023
Not necessarily. E.g. the next block has a bunch of consolidation transactions: https://imgprxy.stacker.news/rOaQLLzkklNj6-oaGXpqY1IsanxjH84UiXP2V2oqY9E/rs:fit:600:500:0/g:no/aHR0cHM6Ly9pLmltZ3VyLmNvbS9sMHJyNXVFLnBuZw https://imgprxy.stacker.news/52jkRHsFRd5yAiDHsuyJSEdOPwDahi478_YH-JT4ZSQ/rs:fit:600:500:0/g:no/aHR0cHM6Ly9pLmltZ3VyLmNvbS9xalp2QjN0LnBuZw
Don’t ask me why people are consolidating P2PKH inputs at 16 ṩ/vB right now, tho
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3 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 28 Aug 2023
TIL
I had just assumed. My rage has now subsided.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Murch 28 Aug 2023
Mh, why did it turn the pictures into potato-quality like that? The original was much higher rez:
https://imgprxy.stacker.news/52jkRHsFRd5yAiDHsuyJSEdOPwDahi478_YH-JT4ZSQ/rs:fit:600:500:0/g:no/aHR0cHM6Ly9pLmltZ3VyLmNvbS9xalp2QjN0LnBuZw
Test to embed the picture with foreign URL:
https://imgprxy.stacker.news/52jkRHsFRd5yAiDHsuyJSEdOPwDahi478_YH-JT4ZSQ/rs:fit:600:500:0/g:no/aHR0cHM6Ly9pLmltZ3VyLmNvbS9xalp2QjN0LnBuZw
URL of original: https:[SLASH][SLASH]i.imgur.com/qjZvB3t.png
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1012 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 28 Aug 2023
We must have some proxy config that processing them into a potato. I'll put it up as a gh issue.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @iguano 28 Aug 2023
Is 30c to much?
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @faradayfedora 28 Aug 2023
It's just the miners getting paid their dues.
I looks like you need to do a bit of reading on how the blockchain works but in the simply the each transaction is just BTC going from one address to another address, no fiat fun coupons involved. Anything fiat related is outside of that system. Even if you give a exchange 100 bucks to by BTC and send it to your address, the chain has nothing to do or knowledge of the fiat side of the sale.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @chairman_pretense 28 Aug 2023
If you think these fees are high, you have no idea what further adoption will look like. Fees are good for Bitcoin.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Eljay 28 Aug 2023
I think it has to do with ordinals transactions in the mempool. There is a backlog of them from the mania time (transactions with fee of 5sat/vb and below) thus setting a floor.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @satoshirespector 28 Aug 2023
I sent a transaction yesterday with a 4 sat/vbyte fee. Will it get through eventually or will it just reappear in my original wallet? And how long til it take? Thanks!
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Gian 28 Aug 2023
Ordinals are retarded....
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 28 Aug 2023
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