The bar has been a great time the two times I've gone. I might have encountered those dynamics there in this example but the people themselves were fun to talk to besides this. And I've had other great (albeit non-crypto non-tech) conversations there. Pubkey Bar 85 Washington Pl check it out

I have had some real dialogue about value/utility with people in other situations, my viewpoint has shifted based on these conversations, and I'm sure if I spent more time in the community I would find more of this. My point is that I've seen this kind of "true believer" dynamic more in crypto than any other domain I've been in. I've also met some of the most talented software engineers in the space.