Thanks Ben. Why do you think it's far away? Is it because the improvements proposed to LN, fedimit/cashu etc., is all more low hanging fruit in terms of scaling? Why would these shitcoiners come out of the woodwork now talking it up? Is it because they have fallen for the Ethereum bs and they are just parroting what they've heard shitcoin devs talking about?

One thing I took from "the Blocksize War" is that the big blockers were all high time preference who felt pressure from the noise shitcoiners were making and thought a desperate and immediate response was needed to get "mass adoption" and continue "bitcoin dominance".

The core devs on the other hand knew that looking out enough moves on the board bigger blocks would just cause more problems than they solved. I get similar vibes from shitcoiners pushing things like zkrollups. What you said about "good to have eventually" is interesting to me because it sounds again like a time preference thing. There is no need to rush for a complex solution when there are so many smaller, more well scoped, incremental improvements that can scale us to where we need to be for the next 5-10 years or so.