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1160 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford 1 May 2023
I'm a supporter of Free (libre) Open Source Software but the reality is that there are disagreements on what these words mean as well as what is acceptable behavior. Honestly, I don't get emotional about it. After over 10 years in the Drupal opensource community I've heard these arguments over and over again.
This is my view point.
- Free (libre) means modifying and copying the code is allowed via the license.
- Open Source means the code is viewable and downloadable.
These topics have been talked to death in the FOSS world. I have no time for people that want to complain about people following the license of their software. That includes forks/copying whatever is allowed by the license. Drupal was forked a few years back. The license allows this. Many people were offended and angry. It is really dumb IMO to get angry about this. If you don't want a project to be copied/cloned/forked then change the license. Seems that is what happened here. I have no dog in this hunt. I like folks on both sides. Feels silly to me honestly. If I or my company write code we can do what ever we want with it. License it to be copied or not. If I license my code in a way that allows it to be copied I don't have the right to get all offended when someone does just that. You have to be ready for people to not give credit (though some licenses require this).
Read the license, no need to get all emotional about it. Now, the personal attacks/comments are another story and one I'm even less interested in discussing.
My two sats.
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859 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 1 May 2023
Another observation from my years working in software. Engineers are FAR more emotional than we'd like to admit. It can be quite comical sometimes. Guys it is ok. We are not robots. We have feelings. Sometimes these feelings get hurt. We get angry and do/say dumb things. Stay humble. Listen to criticism. Grow.
By the way. I continually have to work on this myself. Preaching to the choir.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @031ef7d322 1 May 2023
These two terms are very well established after decades of debate:
Free (libre) means GPL: modifying and copying the code is allowed via the license AND the modifications must be published.
Open Source means MIT/BSD/apache2: anyone is free to modify the software, with the option (but no obligation) to share the modifications.
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496 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 1 May 2023
I haven't been following the drama, nor do I care. But I am very interested in the debate around what open source means and drama is an interesting vehicle for learning about it.
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5987 sats \ 12 replies \ @TonyGiorgio 1 May 2023
I stopped reading at "Open source is core to our ethos"
No, shitcoining, scamming people, and putting backdoors into hardware is core to their ethos. I will never forget nor forgive their Siacoin history and their ASIC scamming from their entire cofounding team.
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0 sats \ 11 replies \ @031ef7d322 1 May 2023
Backdoors? Literal scamming? Got a citation for any of that?
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473 sats \ 10 replies \ @BITC0IN 1 May 2023
https://medium.com/@Fiach_dubh/rekt-crypto-hardware-con-artists-creep-into-bitcoin-8ad713198d3a
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54 sats \ 9 replies \ @031ef7d322 1 May 2023
A hardware startup that falls slightly short of delivering what they initially announced their product would be is vastly different than a literal scam.
Just like contributing to a Kickstarter, anyone sending money to a team like this should do their research and understand it’s not a guarantee.
I’m sure the team who formed Foundation Devices has learned a ton from that failed experiment. On top of that, multiple generations of the Passport have been delivered and are in use. They clearly have no problem delivering what they promise today.
Calling the Foundation team scammers based on the “evidence” in that medium article says more about the accuser than it says about Foundation.
Aside from throwing around the scammer label and diminishing its meaning, the word “backdoor” doesn’t appear once in that article and that’s a major accusation. Care to elaborate on that one?
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584 sats \ 3 replies \ @BITC0IN 1 May 2023
I'd be interested in the backdoor claim being expanded upon as well (maybe this was in reference to their faulty firmware that ended up bricking a few customer ASIC's at one point)
what you call slightly short (3 months) is a lifetime in the ASIC game. Especially if those ASIC's are first generation ASIC's to a shitcoin market. Three months is a pretty long shipping delay for even current Bitcoin ASIC's.
Furthermore, the actual performance of these ASIC's were 2/3rds that of what was promised.
As a result, they were sued in a class action by their customers and lost on several counts.
They tried to bribe customers into not joining this suit by offering them compensation for the 3 month delay. They even credited compensation amounts to their obelisk accounts, showing up as a dollar balance. But they never paid these out, after promising they would.
They also forked an entire shitcoin blockchain to make they're competitors ASIC's obsolete.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @031ef7d322 1 May 2023
There’s a world of difference between being a few months late to deliver an ASIC that hashes 30% slower than initially promised, and a literal scam.
It does seem like some poor decisions were made after that, trying to minimize the damage, but nothing worse than many early Kickstarter hardware projects that had honest intentions but blew the entire budget too early to deliver anything at all, despite having the best intentions.
That article linked above seems to attribute the worst of those decisions to the Obelisk CEO, whom I did not find associated with Foundation Devices, although I haven’t done an exhaustive search.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @BITC0IN 1 May 2023
Maybe not a scam, but a grift?
It's kind of hard to tell a scam from a grift when all you have to go on is intentionality, which is impossible to verify. How's that phrase go?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions?
It was a failure of significance at the very least. The management of the failure was largely done by Zach in the aftermath. Vorick took a back seat after things went south.
The promises surrounding payment of compensation, and encouragement not to join the class action were made by Zach.
The false advertising of the ASIC hashrate was made by Ken
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @031ef7d322 1 May 2023
Completely agree the behavior of the Obelisk team was unprofessional, embarrassing of them, and offensive to most everyone else.
The mining project sounds to me like a group of kids who got excited about building a cutting edge hardware product, and overpromised what it would do, probably by optimistically extrapolating some basic results they had produced already. Since they hadn’t actually run a hardware business on their own before, they underestimated the requirements and costs involved with producing at scale. Like many hardware projects by less experienced teams, the result underperformed at a higher cost and was also massively delayed.
Because cryptocurrency boom, there was a lot more money involved than there otherwise would have been. People who did insufficient research made expensive business plans based on this brand new startup delivering 100% on their original promise. Everyone was mad and some filed lawsuits. Then there’s the whole altcoin mess, and hopefully if anyone committed actual fraud or something then they will eventually be discovered and held accountable, but otherwise it sounds like typical degen crypto shit.
Ultimately they delivered some working miners, which it seems like some are completely overlooking.
This should all be taken into account when judging members of that team in the future. To me it’s a far different history from a lot of the bullshit financial engineering and other schemes I see that are generally accepted in this space. An honest person is unlikely to ever want to repeat that again, so they’re likely to go out if their way to perform better going forward.
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283 sats \ 4 replies \ @TonyGiorgio 1 May 2023
Give the internet a search. It's not my job to convince you and if you spent any time caring you'd find it in the resource already given. If your take away is "falls slightly short" then your bias is showing and I don't care to engage further. My knowledge of these scammers go way further back than a medium article that summarizes some of it.
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127 sats \ 0 replies \ @031ef7d322 1 May 2023
FWIW I engaged with the Obelisk team for a prospective hardware project collaboration after their failed miner project (unsure how much it was still going on, I was only involved in a technical capacity), and long before Foundation was founded. They clearly knew their way around embedded systems, which is the area where I started my own career many years earlier.
Today I own more than one of their Passport devices because it’s an excellent hardware wallet with a great UX. I also own multiple generations of Coldcard, which I used to consider the best but is now inferior by every measure.
Honesty and a positive attitude of the people behind the product is icing on the cake, especially since NVK started throwing tantrums about open source.
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @031ef7d322 1 May 2023
Heh, I did try searching but came up empty, and I’m not the one throwing around baseless accusations…
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @BITC0IN 1 May 2023
I'd be interested in hearing your story on this
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @shyfire 1 May 2023
+1, you are the internet now @TonyGiorgio ... tell us your story
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465 sats \ 7 replies \ @tldr_dead 1 May 2023
Foundation Devices, the creators of an open source hardware device called Passport, which allows secure storage and use of Bitcoin, has been accused of cloning a hardware wallet from production company, Coldcard. Foundation countered this accusation, stating that while the two may share a Microship 608a secure element, Passport carries new components that make it entirely distinct in its features and design. The company has built its ethos around the importance of the free and open source hardware (FOSH) movement, claiming to operate in favor of empowering non-technical consumers and promoting Bitcoin adoption. The Passport hardware wallet will go into production in December.
autonote from dev: the input text for this summary had to be censored for ChatGPT to summarize it.
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63 sats \ 3 replies \ @k00b OP 1 May 2023
Should these reply to the comment tagging tldr instead?
Also are there recursive? Can I tldr a comment or tldr itself?
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64 sats \ 1 reply \ @031ef7d322 1 May 2023
It’d be cool if we could mute the bot, and any other user for that matter.
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 1 May 2023
I know
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ass 1 May 2023
That would be possible to implement. Which way do you want it?
According to the requirements of the bounty, link posts are supposed to be summarized, but I also added text posts. The program assumes the commenter mentioning tldr wants the root item summarized. Any duplicate mention on an item that has already been summarized will be ignored.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 1 May 2023
You mean intro text?
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409 sats \ 1 reply \ @tldr_dead 1 May 2023
By input text, I mean the text added to the end of the prompt in the bio.
If it's too long or contains profanity, I have to modify it before giving it to chappie.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 2 May 2023
I thought with "summary had to be censored" you meant that you had to remove the intro text to make it work. The stuff until
Good luck with the bounty btw! Already works pretty decent, I would say.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @faithandcredit 1 May 2023
So there is just no perfect way to do software, open source, foss, gpl3 seem like the best (not perfect) approach if u want to do open source. u will have people who clone it, and only change some minor things. but over time, if this cloned software project takes off you will inevitably benefit from that as well. So at first when someone clones it, it sucks? But if it takes off, and becomes a thing people use and contribute to you gain benefits from that as well imo. Let the children clone? Btw. its easy for me to say caus im not a developer and i dont know how it feels when someone clones ur hard work
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 1 May 2023
@tldr
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220 sats \ 0 replies \ @gunson 1 May 2023
This drama created by Foundation Devices reeks of scam. Hate to see it.
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @orthzar 2 May 2023
Yet another company that abandons open-source in the name of fighting crime.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @aljaz 2 May 2023
all this feuds in our ecosystem are such a stupid distraction, we think of ourselves as better from normies, trying to change to world into something more meaningful and yet we spend bickering on twitter over petty disagreements or just pure hate, wasting tons of energy and attention fighting civil wars between between ourselves and polarizing people instead of uniting everyone towards the external threats that are all around us.
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