Ronin Dojo vs Umbrel vs RaspiBlitz \ stacker news ~bitcoin

85 sats \ 17 comments \ @phaedrus 21 Mar 2022 bitcoin

I believe these are all solving the same problem: enabling me to run my own full node.

What are the key differences from user perspective?

Please answer only if you actually got it running, I’m not interested in marketing claims. Trying to decide what my next weekend project will be.

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54 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 21 Mar 2022

You can't compare Ronon Dojo with LN nodes. Are two different things. Ronin is only BTC node and Whirlpool. Nothing else about LN and apps necessary to run a complete node. So today a node without LN is useless.

I wrote a guide about all type of nodes (with LN) https://darthcoin.substack.com/p/what-bitcoin-ln-node-software-can

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 21 Mar 2022

Ran a raspiblitz and it was super buggy for me. I switched that node to umbrel and had no issues runs very smoothly. Don’t have a dojo but the team there hates lightning. But honestly run both if you can. Maybe a dojo for hardcore privacy and large amounts and umbrel to tinker with stuff and limit the amount of sats you keep on it

100 sats \ 7 replies \ @kevkevin 21 Mar 2022

Raspiblitz is FOSS and Umbrel is not

Umbrel does seem more beginner-friendly but again not FOSS I think Raspiblitz is geared more towards the user that wants to hop into the cli and code.

Raspiblitz supports both c-lightning and LND not sure if Umbrel does

My main drawback with Umbrel tho is that it is not FOSS

9 sats \ 4 replies \ @DarthCoin 21 Mar 2022

LOL all this drama with FOSS. I think people overreacted to this shit. It is very clear: if you want to build devices with Umbrel and sell them as commercial company you have to pay a license for their work. If you run Umbrel as a regular pleb user for your own benefit, is totally free. The code is open fucking source so what is so big deal with all this drama? Daaaamn people are so obsessed with this shit.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @ugmug 22 Mar 2022

The issue is with the freedom to be able to do what you want with it, including being able to profit from it. You wouldn't be okay with a limited amount of censorship on Bitcoin so why would you be okay with a little freedom taken away with what you are allowed to do with the software?

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @phaedrus OP 22 Mar 2022

Fucking Open Source Software not Open Fucking Source Software

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 22 Mar 2022

LOL :)

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Modus 21 Mar 2022 freebie

This. Technically it's not "open fucking source" but overall you're right; honestly these arguments often ignore the spirit of the open source ethos. The source code is available. It's not a coincidence that these non-foss node systems have the much more ambitious goal of creating a general purpose server application platform, which is awesome and in fact is critically important for the future of free computing. It's a lucrative platform that can easily be hijacked, so they need to use a different license. It's fine. I love GPL, I love MIT, but we shouldn't limit ourselves to using only these "technically FOSS" tools in our current complex adversarial environment.

2 sats \ 1 reply \ @phaedrus OP 21 Mar 2022

It’s not FOSS because it uses docker?

Very helpful answer. Thank you.

40 sats \ 0 replies \ @kevkevin 21 Mar 2022

I think docker is FOSS itself, they do have enterprise but docker is FOSS

I think it's because there is vc funding so they don't opensource it because of them but tbh I'm not sure if anyone really knows why. I'm guessing they plan on profiting from it in the future somehow

if you want to look more into the license look here

https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel#-license

basically you're free to do most except try and make profit off the code which makes it not FOSS

40 sats \ 0 replies \ @Modus 21 Mar 2022 freebie

Running Start9, super easy. You should consider it.

2 sats \ 3 replies \ @phaedrus OP 21 Mar 2022

I’ve been running Umbrel for over a year and it really is easy. Much better than running my own Bitcoin Core (still doing that as well), or managing Lightning node (used to run lnd and then c-lightning directly and gave up).

I couldn’t get Whirlpool working with Umbrel.

Also, Umbrel seems to be going after broader goals: run your way own cloud, rather than focusing on Bitcoin so I expect the Bitcoin experience will suffer.

22 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 21 Mar 2022

Umbrel way to add shit load of apps, I think is wrong... In special for a RPi device. It will not work.

I run 3 nodes: 1 Umbrel (LND), 1 standard c-lightning and a mobile with Blixt (LND).

Umbrel as "personal server" is good idea, but putting all together in a shity RPi is really bad idea. My umbrel is not a RPi, is a barebone with standard Debian OS, where yes I could add all those non-node apps, but I do not want to mix a LN node with other apps. It will mess things badly.

As a personal server I have various, including a Qnap NAS, with many useful apps. Yes, I self hosted all I need (domain, email, file server, video/movies, fotos).

34 sats \ 1 reply \ @Majjin 21 Mar 2022

I feel the same way. My setup is an Umbrel with apps related to liquidity management only (Ride the Lightning, Thunderhub, etc.). I have a separate raspberry pi that hosts docker containers for things like Nextcloud, Wireguard, etc. A third pi is my Jellyfin media server. I hope to upgrade them all over time.

2 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 21 Mar 2022

THIS IS THE WAY!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @UlfMoby 22 Mar 2022

MyNode i also pretty good!

https://mynodebtc.com/

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ibz 22 Mar 2022

Umbrel and Start9 Embassy are something else though. They are platforms for sovereign, self-hosted apps. You can't compare them with a "Bitcoin node". They are a whole new class of appliances.