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My takeaways:

  • SpaceX (+xAI) is not a promising business.
    • There are not enough people in the world who can both afford and need satellite internet to justify valuations
    • The data centers in space narrative doesn't make sense economically
  • The IPO is specifically engineered to turn retail investors into exit liquidity
    • Limited release of shares (only ~5%)
      • Classic manipulation of mark-to-market accounting. Get the marginal price set by a handful of hardcore / optimistic traders, this price is then applied to value the entire company.
    • Elon dictated terms to NASDAQ: I'll only list here if you relax rules to include SpaceX in the NASDAQ100 more quickly and easily than previously allowed
      • Inclusion in the index would automatically make ETF owners SpaceX owners---at whatever price was set by the hardcore/optimistic traders mentioned above.

If the claims are to be believed, then Elon is clearly as good of a financial engineer as he is an astronautical one.

I started to watch this video yesterday. I see Mr. Boyle is bearish on Space X but the fact they can launch things at a low cost will have tremendous value.

There are not enough people in the world who can both afford and need satellite internet to justify valuations

This is a ridiculous take. Everyone doesn’t need something for it to capture massive economic benefits either directly or indirectly.

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He's a pattern Elon Derangement Syndrome clown operative, long history of being wrong with predicting doom for Tesla, X...

How do people even listen to these clowns? Is it cope for being perpetually blackpilled and sidelined?

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169 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 20h

Nasdaq changed its rules for the Nasdaq-100 to ensure that SpaceX wouldn't go elsewhere for an IPO, since the TXSE (Texas Stock Exchange) just received its national securities exchange license. TXSE is aiming at companies and PE in the Southeastern part of the US, and what better way to launch yourself than by holding the SpaceX IPO.

To me, that is the reason behind the whole thing. TXSE is based in Dallas and has been gearing up to launch in 2026 or 2027, and an anchor launch with a company like SpaceX would make a hell of a statement.

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Yeah I used to enjoy his content then I saw how ignorant he was on bitcoin. But this negative take on Space X is just ridiculous.

I want to own Space X shares because it’s absolutely amazing what they are doing!!

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You might only get a 10x over the next 15 years while people with a decade already vested get a 1000x!

So unfair! Better to be mad and stay sidelined instead of accepting a shitty 10x

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120 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 21h

I wonder how he feels about Palmer Luckey

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When the Andurll IPO gets close I'm sure he'll be deployed by his handlers to keep the dumbz poor while they fill their bags

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Or stick it in an index fund and be happy with 7% returns on average over the next decade.

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217 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 20h

So as someone who has looked at Starlink going back to when you could sign up for when they had access to your area they costs are dramatically lower and have continued to drop. Not only that, but they are signing more and more partnerships with major companies, airlines, service providers, etc. Frankly, no one can do what they do at the cost point.

SpaceX has been profitable for years now, even as they push Starship. They keep increasing their launch cadence and have a crazy backlog. SpaceX alone was the thing that could be worth a $ trillion market eval.

Nasdaq changed its rules for the Nasdaq-100 to ensure that SpaceX wouldn't go elsewhere for an IPO, since the TXSE (Texas Stock Exchange) just received its national securities exchange license. TXSE is aiming at companies and PE in the Southeastern part of the US, and what better way to launch yourself than by holding the SpaceX IPO.

To me, that is the reason behind the whole thing. TXSE is based in Dallas and has been gearing up to launch in 2026 or 2027, and an anchor launch with a company like SpaceX would make a hell of a statement.

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Lotta Elon stans on SN I see...

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Your conclusions are flawed

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Starlink is part of SpaceX

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17 sats \ 1 reply \ @BlokchainB 20h

Yet people think Starlink = Space X for some strange reason. It’s only one aspect of the coming space economy

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I think Starlink is their biggest source of revenue, certainly consumer revenue

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he's scamming investors and index holders out of their money

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Not going to waste my time watching this video, but

"SpaceX (+xAI) is not a promising business."
Yes it is.

"There are not enough people in the world who can both afford and need satellite internet to justify valuations"
This implies SpaceX is nothing more than Starlink as it is today, which is naive and short-sighted. It's inevitable that Starlink will launch their own phone or similar device, and provide internet to the automotive industry as cars become more connected and autonomous. Currently Starlink makes $50k per month per aircraft, and this number will only increase as more airlines sign up. Starlink has only just got started, and it's just one piece of SpaceX.

"The data centers in space narrative doesn't make sense economically."
I don't buy that. If there's anyone who can make it work it's an Elon Inc company. The lack of cooling required and energy available from the sun in space immediately gets my attention.

"The IPO is specifically engineered to turn retail investors into exit liquidity."
This can be said for every IPO. They're raising cash – it's not really a secret.

"Elon dictated terms to NASDAQ..."
Maybe, but this will be the biggest IPO of all time (I think?) – he's in a good position to make those kinds of demands, and it's urgent for him for SpaceX to rapidly scale their projects and have access to capital from a high valuation.

-Tom

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Interesting!!!

147 sats \ 1 reply \ @035736735e 20h -200 sats

First on the business model. Starlink is not SaaS. It is a capital furnace. You are launching metal into orbit that depreciates in both an accounting sense and a literal orbital decay sense. You need constant replacement. The market is structurally limited. People who truly need satellite internet are either remote enough to have no alternatives or mobile enough that fixed infrastructure does not help. That is not billions of customers. It is a niche with pricing power maybe but not obviously a world eating TAM that justifies megacap valuations.

Second on data centers in space. To justify the cost of putting compute in orbit you need either physics advantages or regulatory ones so strong that they overwhelm launch and maintenance costs. Physics does not really cooperate here. Latency to the ground still exists. Repair is hard. Thermal management is nontrivial. On top of that cloud customers value reliability and easy incremental upgrades. Space is the opposite of that. You are turning something flexible and iterative into something expensive and brittle just so you can tell a futuristic story.

On the IPO structure you are right that limiting the float is the core trick. When only a small sliver of equity is tradeable the marginal buyer and seller set a price that gets multiplied across the entire capital stack. That is how you take a real but finite business and wrap it in a valuation that only makes sense if every slide in the pitch deck comes true on time and at scale.

Index inclusion is where this becomes systemic. If the exchange relaxes inclusion rules you can pipe that marginal price into passive flows. At that point you are not convincing skeptical investors. You are conscripting them. Anyone holding a broad market ETF suddenly owns a slice of whatever story the index committee blessed at whatever price the early believers were willing to pay.

This is not uniquely Elon. This is how modern markets work when you combine

scarce float
narrative heavy sectors
mark to market accounting
and trillions in forced passive allocation

The Musk twist is that he is unusually good at operating all three layers at once. The engineering layer that builds real hardware. The narrative layer that frames that hardware as the infrastructure of the future. And the capital markets layer that converts those narratives into option like equity claims that can be sold to institutions and eventually to the retail crowd.

The key question for an outside investor is not whether SpaceX is impressive. It obviously is. The question is who actually captures the surplus. If most of the upside is already crystallized in a fully diluted valuation set by a narrow group of optimistic buyers, then future shareholders are not co inventors of the upside. They are the exit route.

So when you see a company with

limited float
fast tracked index inclusion
and a story that depends on the entire world reorganizing around its infrastructure

you do not have to argue that it is a fraud or that the technology is fake. You just have to ask a simpler question.

At this price am I being treated as a partner in the journey or as inventory in someone elses distribution channel

Most people do not like the answer when they ask it clearly.