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What’s so interesting about this is how in DC right now I see minorities from the Middle East celebrating while it’s white people who are upset. When you look at what party is “supposed” to define a certain group it’s flipped.

This was a once in a generation opportunity and if we didn’t cease it now and Iran executed a dirty bomb or doubled down on its terror proxies we would have kicked ourselves.

It’s important to note that while the initial strikes were called US-Israel strikes Israel launched there’s 20 minutes before ours. Once this was happening Iran was going to strike the U.S. assets in the area creating the emergency allowing the U.S. to protect its soldiers and interests.

These technicalities matter and as long as within 60 days this starts being wrapped up, which the enormous fallout in Iranian attacks are points towards this is going to not only be successful but realistically wrap up before War Powers issues. Israel is the one going after the leadership and regime targets we have just been hitting the military ones. For once the Admin has kept the Gang of 8 in the loop and there stances have been telling.

minorities from the Middle East

Lol

Last I checked more than 1000 iranian civilians. dead. many children. But war is peace. So..

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The most important phrase in the Preamble is "We the People," which acknowledges that the Constitution is not the creation of a monarch or a ruling class, but rather the result of the collective will of the people. This phrase emphasizes equality, democracy, and the importance of consensus and unity. The phrase puts the power in the hands of the people - the citizens of the United States.

https://constitution.laws.com/preamble/we-the-people

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11 sats \ 2 replies \ @Cje95 20h

And those people can vote to change the direction.... midterms are just a few months away. Once you vote though you surrender a certain amount of your freedom as you put it behind certain people. Its a trade off

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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 OP 19h

MAGA people thought they did vote to change the direction.

Meet the new boss,same as the old boss - AIPAC

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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 18h

I can't speak on behalf of everyone but I think a huge part not putting boots on the ground. Now Trump and the Admin isn't going to come out and say they won't because why broadcast to your enemy what you are doing. We learned from the Obama Admin that if you say we are going to surge troops for a year and then pullback the person you are fighting will just dial back there activity till after the surge passes.

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You cannot stop a war by showing a constitution.
The Con-stittution is just a piece of paper, a napkin like this one...

You stop wars by stop participating in their so called "society".

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I personally question the wisdom and propriety of the strikes, but I do acknowledge that the Persian diaspora supports it. I dont know how actual Iranians living in Iran feel about it, I imagine it's a mix of support but also fear for what comes next as well as anger over the destruction

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I was in DC in 1979 and the early 1980s. Many of my college classmates were the sons and daughters of the Shah's supporters who fled Iran. No doubt the diaspora is happy.

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Westwood (in Los Angeles), which is sometimes called "Little Tehran" due to the large Persian population, had a massive demonstration in support of the strikes this past Sunday.

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They want their country back. I can relate to that. I want my country back too.

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When would you say you lost it?

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Good question. Probably before I was born.

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Dang.

Probably 1913, when both the Federal Reserve was created and when the US Federal Government was granted the power to levy direct taxes.

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Yes. That's a good place to start.

1 sat \ 2 replies \ @Cje95 20h

The part that has really struck me though are the videos from inside Iran itself where people are celebrating and tearing things down again. The Regimes response has practically been shooting people on the street and that historically speaking does not work long term.

My understanding from talking to people is that while the Shah was corrupt and repressive he was at the same time much more hands off in certain areas. What replaced the Shah though has been a blanket repressive Regime or rather just something much worse than what they had.

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23 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 OP 19h

Agreed. I'm not arguing about Iranian politics. Trump ran against forever wars, and specifically against getting involved in this situation. The administration's argument as to why we started this changes daily. Ultimately, it seems more and more that Israel decides what we do.

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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 18h

Personally the only person in the Admin who seems to be able to keep his story straight over the vast majority of the things going on is Sec. Rubio.

I agree to a point with the Israel point when it comes to attacks on Iran and how the dominos were going to fall. Iran was always going to hold us responsible for Israel attacking them. With Gaza Trump has done a surprisingly decent job there and I did not see that coming at all. Not only are hostilities down but Israel pulled out of so many areas and aid has ramped up considerably. We even have some cooperation with the Islamic World on reconstruction and helping Gaza.

To me this would be the same sort of thing that would happen if North Korea and South Korea heated up again and they started lobbing missiles at each other. Even if the U.S. was just sitting there without having done a single thing North Korea would lob things at us and we would have to respond.

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