Lightning Network developer Matt Corallo recently argued that self-custodial Lightning on mobile devices has reached technical maturity, with solutions now available for zero-fee commitments, cooperative close improvements, and async persistence enabling "live backups" that prevent fund loss even during app uninstallation. According to Corallo, who works on the Lightning Development Kit, "the major challenges for self-custodial lightning are actually now largely solved," yet new wallet implementations increasingly adopt Liquid or Spark, systems requiring trusted third parties, rather than trustless Lightning infrastructure. Corallo warns this trend threatens Bitcoin's core value proposition, noting that "if the platforms that people use for lightning transactions censor, so too is Bitcoin censored." He attributes the shift to user experience advantages in custodial systems and legal uncertainty around operating Lightning Service Providers, creating incentives for wallet developers to outsource trust to entities like Blockstream or Lightspark.
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Some people never learn. Matt's lucky he found an NGO to keep him employed while pounding this idiotic drum.
The mobile node fantasy is upstream of all the stupidity in Lightning, including Fake L2's that affinity scam as Lightning
(even the Fake L2's are now realizing they're not immune to the realities Lightning faces with mobile, and can't keep up with "rounds" https://x.com/nitesh_btc/status/2018068963255841015?s=20)
Phones are clients, not servers.
Lightning nodes are servers.
Any L2 requires interactivity. Phones cannot maintain that interactivity.
It's either a dip shit fantasy, or blatant dishonesty and disdain for users, to suggest that they will be able to download a Lightning node from an app store and do anything other than incur fees just for tinkering with it.
Lightning is a tool for revenue, your phone can't earn revenue when you sleep because it too sleeps. A mobile node will only ever incur costs and terrible experiences for people trying Lightning.
Mobile nodes are an attack on Lightning.
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And how many functional self-custodial wallet are using LDK right now?
You cannot call self-custodial a crap Spark, Ark or Liquid. Period.
I'm curious which lightning wallets are the ones that are technically mature -- phoenix and zeus?
If lightning tech has reached technical maturity, it seems to me that lightning wallets still have some work to do smoothing out the rough edges.