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Another post wanking on about Lightning Network minutiae from a Stacker who deliberately conceals PoW of whether or not they actually use LN here on Stacker News.
hmmm. This comment seems to fundamentally misunderstand what proof of work is, and potentially even what the word work means.
Showing horse and gun emojis is PoW/confirmation you can send and receive sats.
If you are a content provider wanting content consumers to send sats V4V and those content consumers are here because they want to be part of a V4V sats denominated social media platform then the above is an important consideration.
You have no PoW that you are serious about supporting the sats denominated integrity of SNs.
Horse and Gun may not fit the strict technical criteria of cryptographic PoW but for practical purposes they are confirmation the user has made the effort to attach LN wallet/s.
It is a social media platform intentionally created to enable a P2P V4V BTC denominated community.
When I first started using Stacker News, I made the same mistake as you: I assumed it was about P2P V4V. I posted things here and earned sats and pulled them off the platform. I zapped people too, but I treated it as a value for value platform. It took me a while of using Stacker News to realize that this is what attracts people to SN, but it's not actually the value proposition.
As I understand it, Stacker News is about making money the moderator. Social media is full of bad incentives. SN is the first time I've encountered social media that really aligns the incentives of all the people involved.
Prior to SN, social media always involves an algorithm or moderators. We've all experienced the awful side of these things. I've been banned from Reddit more times than I can count. I used to be good at X, but then one day all my posts just fell into a void and nobody ever saw them again. I tried to post about SN on hacker.news and my post was immediately flagged. These kinds of experiences leave normal users feeling like shit. It's deeply disatisfying.
Stacker News is trying something new: can we get rid of algorithms and moderators and only use the signal generated by the stackers themselves? Before bitcoin and lightning, this was impossible, but because we now have internet-native micropayments, we can ask users to provide real signal and it works because it's costly.
Yes, a big part of that is attaching a LN wallet -- and frankly it seems to me like you would be happier with a platform that only allows users who have connected a lightning wallet. However, our current reality is that many people do not use Lightning.
I believe you are misguided in your belief that SN users who do not attach wallets (or who hide their status) are hypocrites. We aren't here for V4V. We aren't here to give value to each other -- that's really a side effect. What's happening here is about using sats to mediating our online interactions so that we have better online interactions. And I believe this works whether a user has attached a Lightning wallet or not.
All in all, I want to thank you for the sats you spent on downzapping these last weeks (I assume you have been the primary downzapper). If SN is really going to pioneer a path of social media that doesn't need human moderators, we absolutely have to get the downzapping piece right -- and your campaign is an excellent stress test.
Another post wanking on about Lightning Network minutiae from a Stacker who deliberately conceals PoW of whether or not they actually use LN here on Stacker News.
Blatant Hypocrit.
Reminder for @Scoresby -
WTF is Stacker News?
It is a social media platform intentionally created to enable a P2P V4V BTC denominated community.
Originally Stacker News (SN) custodyed sats on behalf of participants but the threat of government regulatory prosecution on the pretext of money transmitter forced a move away from the custody of sats by the platform to the platform enabling participants to send sats via their wallets.
To achieve this participants need to attach wallets to both send and receive sats.
Where participants do not or cannot attach LN wallets transactions will often default to Cowboy Credits.
This change was a compromise forced by the threat of government prosecution.
The difficulty of attaching both sending and receiving wallets is moderate- it takes some effort and newbie or non tech people may struggle with it, but most competent Bitcoiners can succeed in attaching wallets and thus enabling sats denominated P2P transactions.
But a number of Stackers have chosen not to attach wallets- in particular sending wallets which enable you to send sats into the SN community.
Very few have attached just a sending wallet- many have attach just a receiving wallet.
Those who only attach a receiving wallet can receive sats from others but cannot send sats into the community. They may feel that as content providers they have no need or obligation to send sats into and within the SN community. I disagree.
Where these receive but not send (horse but no gun) Stackers proclaim to be Bitcoiners but refuse to enable a sending wallet they are demonstrably hypocrits. They claim they want to build and grow the BTC LN MoE network but they cannot be bothered contributing toward that growth by attaching a sending wallet and demonstrating they are not just talking, but are also walking and supporting a sats denominated platform.
If we do not use the LN wherever and whenever we can it will not grow and develop.
Some claim it is too hard to attach wallets- its too hard on their self custody nodes or wallets- this just highlights how much work the LN still needs before it is capable of anything approaching 100% reliable MoE capability.
But the best way to grow and strengthen the LN is it use it – despite its remaining flaws and glitches.
When wallets are supported by people using them they receives transaction fees and can develop liquidity and systems further.
When LN wallets are not used the LN decays- it does not have the usage and fees income to grow.
So when self proclaimed advocates for BTC and LN refuse to attach wallets (especially sending wallets) I see hypocrit.
I will continue to see hypocrit until and unless someone can explain why I should not.
Calling me a Nazi, trolling and making fun of me crudely seeking to avoid the issues I raise will not stop me from asking why are you claiming to be a Bitcoiner but refusing to attach wallets and use the LN here where we can help it grow.
Now some are deliberately concealing their wallet status, as if this is about a right to privacy.
Concealing your wallet status means nobody else can verify whether or not you are serious about using BTC LN, or whether you are just an all talk no walk hypocrit.
Do not trust- verify.
What about this fundamental principle do they not understand?
And then they talk about 'content' being more important than whether or not you have attached wallets - in this context the intentional lack of attached wallets undermines your credibility as your actions do not match your words.
Your submitted content may be great, but you as someone claiming to be a serious Bitcoiner are undermining your credibility and the credibility of your content by being a hypocrit.
Your content, is tainted by your verifiable hypocrisy.
SNs needs both good content providers and those who pay for that content if it is succeed.
I am more in the latter group than the former but both are required overall or the model does not work.
So as a net contributor of sats and thus a net consumer of content I object where content providers refuse to engage in the P2P V4V ethos by refusing to attach both sending and receiving wallets and I will both withhold my contribution of sats and sometimes downvote in response.
V4V needs to work reciprocally or it will not work at all.
The content providers need net sats contributors/content consumers who send sats into the platform, or the entire platform fails.