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more sats for us LOL
I just hate that SN ends up losing in the middle of all this, good content stops showing up on the front page. The whole point of SN kinda goes out the window. What Salomon’s doing doesn’t respect people’s freedom to choose, it just feels like a power trip!
Money is the moderator
Perhaps we need to be more intentional about our zapping
I get that. But zapping for the wrong reasons just flushes the whole point of SN down the toilet! I've made my choice, I'm sticking to my ways.
if we want a no moderator, no kyc system, I don't think there can e such a thing as zapping for the wrong reasons.
I agree that the downzapping-fest is pretty wild right now (I've caught a bunch of downzaps and I'm still trying to figure out why), but at the same time, someone's downzaps are no less legitimate than someone else's normal zaps. People who routinely boost their own content (I'm one of them) or zap only certain kinds of content they like aren't so different than someone who's willing to heavily downzap things they don't like (for whatever reason).
Honestly, I expected this to happen with upzaps first. I thought there would be someone who tried to dominate the front page by boosting all their stuff. But it's not so different if someone is choosing to downzap in a way that changes how the whole site feels. It seems to be costing 10k - 20k sats a day. And a good portion of those sats are ending up with the people who are being downzapped.
the SN experiment (can money be the moderator for a social media site) is cool because we are pushing into uncharted waters. No one else has ever answered this question.
I think they meant "wrong reasons" for themselves: i.e. zapping stuff for the sake of zapping it, rather than for perceived merit or value received.
I'm encouraging more intentional zapping. Why would that include zapping for bad reasons?
what you mean by 'intentional'?
I suspect many of us have zapping habits that we haven't reflected on. It may be worth reflecting on what we zap and how much.
He's on a rampage against anyone without a gun it seems.
Imma hide my cowboy essentials in protest!
meanwhile he have no idea how LN and SN works...
You have made this bullshit claim before.
Now you repeat it again rather than responding to my already provided reply.
It matters nothing whether I use custodial or non custodial wallet- the fact is I am zapping, posting and commenting using sats P2P.
You are not.
You are using CC shitcoins via centralised custodial shitcoin system.
Everytime I zap, post or comment I pay fees and use the LN and support the LN.
You dont.
You wank on about 'living on the bitcoin standard' but here in the only context where such claims might be evidenced, you refuse to use sats.
The horse and the gun are PoW that the holder of these symbols has made the effort required to transact P2P V4V using the LN and using sats.
You have no such PoW- you are a fraud, a troll and a hypocrit.
Go on refute me...
You cannot.
anyone without a gun
and/or worse (@Undisciplined case)!
@Undisciplined gun but no horse is a rare exception that actually highlights the systemis problem.
The vast majority have either no gun or horse, or in most cases just a horse.
In other words they are happy to and set up to receive sats from others, but are not set up and have not set up to reciprocate and send sats to others.
The rareness of @Undisciplined s status shows there is intent in the majority who only have a horse and no gun.
They want sats directly from those who send them (and who probably have taken the time and effort to attach a gun, but they cannot be fucked doing the same as it would mean actually sending sats more often when they zap.
What do you mean by downzaps counting more?
I'm pretty sure that when No Trust November was released (#1362477) the ranking system changed to:
0.3*(zap_sats+boost_sats) - downzap_sats
Zaps only count for a third because stackers receive 70% of a zap. So a stacker could use another account to zap themselves and could be getting the effect of a 100 sat zap for only a 30 sat cost.
Downzaps on the other hand go 100% to the reward pool. Someone must pay 100 sats to get the effect of a 100 sat downzap.
Therefore 100 sat of downzaps "count for more" in the rankings than 100 sats of zapping.
Boosts are interesting right now because boosts go to territory founders and rewards, and a stacker does not receive any portion of the boost. So really, a boost should probably be weighted more like a downzap. But at the moment, they are also discounted by a third in the ranking.
Right, I remember k00b talking about that boost weighting issue.
I'd also include the posting fees, comment fees, and a similar formula for comment value in the overall rankings.
I imagine that I'd come to the same conclusion as k00b (having them worth more), if I sat down to think it all the way through.
I like that it's putting pressure on all of us to put our money where our mouths are, even more than usual.
maybe is bots wars
Wasn’t this post not supposed to be at the bottom of the top posts? @k00b
LOL I don't even see the one about zapstore new release!
SN is broken
That helps with visibility, but not discoverability. You can see the post, but not on Hot or Top. You'll kinda just have to catch it when it comes out on Recent.
Do the filters take into account that a downzap is worth 3x more? @k00b
The up/down ZAP war on this post is getting interesting. There’ve already been like 3 or 4 moves from each side. It’s kinda unfair though, down zaps count 3x more! Feels like “war support” in Civilization 7! haha