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Both sides have been very restrained in saying not the truth out loud, I think because its one of those things that once spoken can't be taken back (kinda like telling your spouse you are considering divorce).....
Once it gets to the stage where they are "saying it out loud" Trump is going to have the better narrative...."why should american tax dollars be paying for french defense....etc"
Domestically it would be hard for democrats to counter this as Trump will use the same message.
Having said all that, there are quite of few negative things that will probably come from this....I can't see how this doesn't lead to active animosity between US - EU going forward. Tariffs, fines against US companies, travel restrictions, etc....
If USA leaves NATO EU moves toward China very swiftly.
Most profitable trade for Europe is already with China, not the USA.
Nato is the only thing holding Europes loyalty to USA.
Without Europe the petrodollar in unenforceable and the US is swiftly insolvent.
That is one of the stupidest things I’ve heard you say. Europe has shown it is willing to make itself suffer for its goals. Plus you mean to tell me the sharp rise in Nationalism somehow equals China?! No it equals going back to the US
Also the you can drop the whole petrodollar idea. The military and just so your happy the dumb bombs and other stock piles we have that don’t use rare earths can cover a war for months before more drastic means are taken.
This of course doesn’t include the cyber capabilities of the US which have been… missing…. That’s not good for China, Russia, or Iran.
Canada has already shown you what happens.
Half of Chinas trade is now denominated in Yuan.
Get used to it- the US empire is in decline.
All USA has left is dumb bombs and USTs nobody wants.
You understand that Canada has either the largest or second largest Taiwanese populations out of China and so socially it isnt going to work. China already was caught using its embassy's for the "police stations" and most importantly the car manufacturing sector, one of the most critical for Canada, has gotten screwed over in China again and again. Carney can say what he wants but the underlying social and economic facts show it isnt going to happen. Sure he can try but it will cost him and his party the government.
You understand why the Chinese Yuan use skyrocketed right? It's due to the Russian trade being done almost exclusively in it. When you factor in the rest of the world the number falls significantly
In 2025, the yuan accounted for 26.5% of China’s cross-border trade in goods, according to the People’s Bank of China, with 30% of all trade now settled in yuan—a milestone driven by geopolitical shifts and Western sanctions.
With the bombs.... Uh.... you slap a $50 kit on there and yeah no everyone wants the guild bombs aka the dumb bombs. They have been shown to pay a significant role in modern military fights with Russia's invasion of Ukraine showing how critical they are since they cant be jammed and can be dropped from friendly skys.
You realise Taiwan will be be begging to rejoin the mainland before Trump is finished reshoring chip production?
As will Europe and all of the civilised world.
https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/trumps-threats-to-allies-stir-worry-that-u-s-has-lost-its-way-6bc05fcb
'On Thursday, he plans to unveil what he is calling a Board of Peace that aims to supplant the United Nations—and be led by him, in perpetuity.'
Trump is losing it.
Yes US SWIFT/trade sanctions on Russia have certainly hastened the decline of the USD and rise of the Yuan and thats why Trump has been so desperate to end the war and get Russia back to using USD- good luck with that - it was gonna take a day- now?
Maybe never.
The dumb use of sanctions has demonstrated China can provide a viable set of trade, trade payments and supply chain alternatives to the US.
USA/USD/SWIFT is no longer the only game in town.
Anyone can be a terrorist but maintaining credible super power status requires a certain degree of moral fibre and dropping dumb bombs denying climate change and generally acting like a sociopathic mafia bully does not cut it.
Its all downhill from here, sadly, for the US empire...with Trump at the helm.
Taiwan just bought $11 billion in military hardware just weeks ago.... Unless the CCP collapses Taiwan isnt going to ever want to join them. They clearly like being able to vote and chose their own government. Heck they have voted for both pro and anti China leaders and that isnt something they would be able to do in China.
No country that is prosperous and in good shape willingly caves and joins and authoritarian regime. That's not how it works at all.
Thats why Europe wont rush to join China either because even with Trump taking hard stances there are checks within the US government and thats not the case in China. Plus add in how everyone is taking a more Nationalistic stance.... thats not compatible to running to China. China would have to make significant changes to its monetary system including ending the whole onshore/offshore Yuan to take over the US's spot. Its much more likely we would end up with baskets of currencies used over one.
Not sure China or Russia is a country that has a "certain degree of moral fibre." I mean if they are then the US is Saintly. The US isnt dropping dumb bombs? The US also continues to cut emissions at a rapid rate while spurring new industries like in the next-generation geothermal space and the nuclear space.
Taiwan has been and remains a tribute state to the USA.
Like the UK, EU, Canada, Australasia and Japan.
But this wider US empire of dependents and tributes is being dismantled because its no longer viable.
Trump is reshoring Taiwans chip production to the USA in anticipation of Taiwan being returned to the mainland. Taiwan is a bargaining chip in Trumps transactional worldview and he will exchange it for whatever gain he can while its still worth something.
USA is increasingly less desirable to be attached to.
USA is no longer a provider of good value for manufactured goods or sales of commodities...but China is.
USA is no longer a reliable trade partner or military ally.
Under Trump you and your democratic rules based values are treated with contempt.
The USA is no longer a reliable empire - it led by a tyrant who abuses the US Constitution and is dismantling the checks and balances that were put in place by the founders of the US 250 years ago.
https://off-guardian.org/2026/01/19/this-is-what-tyranny-looks-like-now-no-crowns-no-coups-just-unchecked-power/
https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/trumps-threats-to-allies-stir-worry-that-u-s-has-lost-its-way-6bc05fcb
'Trump insists he will take possession of Greenland from North Atlantic Treaty Organization ally Denmark—by force if he has to. Ahead of his trip, he posted an image portraying him lecturing European leaders in front of a map in which Greenland, Canada and Venezuela are emblazoned with the Stars and Stripes.
On Thursday, he plans to unveil what he is calling a Board of Peace that aims to supplant the United Nations—and be led by him, in perpetuity.'
Greenland as a substitute for NATO is the only explanation that makes much sense to me, because there are agreements in place already that allow the US military to pretty much do whatever they want in Greenland.