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Didn't they do enough of that to make people start hiring private police services.
Not yet. Not even close based on my circle.
I think @SimpleStacker had written about that happening in a neighborhood near him.
Not a neighborhood near me. My neighborhood. I am paying for it
Living the dream
At least the weather is good /sarc
Not saying it isn't happening. Has been for a long time.
I don't think the average Joe is interested in abolishing ICE or the police. Nor do I think the average Joe is all that worried about the actions of ICE. I think extreme leftism is a loser.
But there is a line of what makes people uncomfortable with ICE and federal police. I suspect Trump is getting close to that. Regardless of what that SHOULD be it is a thing.
Framing and media narratives are the battleground. Not a game I am playing but I still say we are in the middle of a civil war. The more common type. Not the so called one we had with Lincoln.
But there is a line of what makes people uncomfortable with ICE and federal police. I suspect Trump is getting close to that. Regardless of what that SHOULD be it is a thing.
Thats a great way to put it.
Personally, its very hard to imagine HOW they (ICE) should do their jobs the best. The scale of the problem has grown too large. To my mind, I think the order for deportations should be: (a) criminal history, (b) on welfare or public assistance, (c) unemployed .... I would put the (d) poor illegal mexican lawn worker / avocado picker at the end of the line (ideally we should have a guest worker program for them).
I suspect many average Joes have emotionally tuned out, they instinctively know the problem has grown too much, too fast and thus they are ignoring the the real potential abuses that ICE may be doing (in certain situations).
In a sense, this is just "problems of government" writ large. They created the problem and now fixing the problem is going to be messy and fraught with other problems.
In a sense, this is just "problems of government" writ large. They created the problem and now fixing the problem is going to be messy and fraught with other problems.
This is my response to the friends I have who only have outrage aimed at Trump. He's the natural response to the malfunction we call the US government and political system. I've yet to have a single one of these friends read "Return of the Strong Gods" which at this point feel prophetic.
I think most people have a hard time seeing things from both sides of an issue. Or they have no desire to do so. The status quo and Trumps actions are on the hands of both parties and their lack of willingness to come to agreements / compromise decades ago.
What I wish people would get is how this is all a game and I don't think either group of political figures care about anything besides their power. They use and abuse people pitting them against each other to grab power.
If the left actually cared about immigrants more than power they would have worked with Reagan in the 80s on reforming the US policies.
The same people during Covid ready to lock me up for going against state and local rules using the police as a weapon want the state to stop enforcing rules they don't like.
We are surrounded by hypocrisy and if we are honest we are all probably guilty of it.
It cracked me up how BLM and Defund the police just faded away during the Biden admin.
I know it didn't disappear but it wasn't given much attention by the Democrat party. They were to busy trying to use law enforcement to close businesses during Covid.
Clearly there isn't agreement on the left/center-left about this.
I thought we still weren't done abolishing the police, how come we're not doing that anymore?