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We haven't found a way to get this implemented with start9.

As we have to get onto the network layer, to mark outgoing lightning packets and send them through the tunnel, the way how start9 secured their structure makes it quite brittle.

We haven't given up, but it's currently not possible, sorry.

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Understood thank you! What about Umbrel?

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Yes see the link, Umbrel and Raspiblitz / Bolt and Baremetal work fine

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Ahh how does this differ than Tailscale?

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Tailscale is for you accessing your node in a private tunnel, and your node responding back through that tunnel.

Tunnelsats is for the Lightning Network accessing your node in a private tunnel, and responding back both via the TS-Tunnel (and Tor = hybrid)

Makes sense?

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Ahh okay so it takes LND from behind tor and makes it clearnet? Thus making it 100% more reliable for payments and routing?

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That's exactly it.

Tor Hybrid Scenario

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How does this differ from umbrels setting of hybrid mode?