However, the danger of allowing Greenpeace to relitigate facts and activities already determined by a lawful proceeding in the United States risks setting a dangerous precedent. If a foreign-based entity can lose in the United States and live to fight the same fight overseas, it creates a real incentive for bad actors to engage in tortious activities in the United States while discouraging what might be perceived as fruitless litigation. What company can afford to pay the price of a never-ending battle overseas?
The Greenpeace tactic of using the EU directive as a counterweight also raises jurisdictional questions concerning liability of a U.S. company under foreign laws when they have done nothing to justify being hauled into a foreign court. Indeed, allowing a foreign tribunal without jurisdiction over a U.S.-based company to require even a response to an EU action would open the floodgates to duplicative litigation and erode the confidence American companies should have in U.S. systems of civil justice.
The fact that original founder of Greenpeace quit the organization and basically says that the whole CO2 issue is a giant scam tells you most of what you need to know about climate science.
Environmental poisoning is an absolute real issue, its just that CO2 isn't it....
I have a friend that's leftist and very environmentally oriented. But he's absolutely a huge enemy of Greenpeace. I never delved into details, but I assume there's some huge problems (corruption, etc) in their background.
USA expects to and does impose its power globally ignoring the sovereign rights of other nations. If it does not get what it wants it often invades other nations to get its way.
Most of these wars have been in breach of both the US constitution and international law. Stop being such violent warmongering statist hypocrits.
BTW most of the world sees USA abandoning the Paris climate accords as an absolute betrayal of the USAs leadership role in science and international affairs.
Here is a summary of post-1950 avoidable mortality/ 2005 population (both in millions, m) and expressed as a percentage (%) for each country occupied by the US in the post-1945 era. The asterisk () indicates a major occupation by more than one country in the post-WW2 era (thus, for example, the UK and the US have been major occupiers of Afghanistan , Iraq and Korea , leaving aside the many other minor participants in these conflicts). Data is also given for the US: US [8.455m/300.038m = 2.8%], Afghanistan [16.609m/25.971m = 64.0%], Cambodia* [5.852m/14.825m = 39.5%], Dominican Republic [0.806m/8.998m = 9.0%], Federated States of Micronesia [0.016m/0.111m = 14.4%], Greece* [0.027m/10.978m = 0.2%], Grenada* [0.018m/0.121m = 14.9%], Guam [0.005m/0.168m = 3.0%], Haiti* [4.089m/8.549m = 47.9%], Iraq* [5.283m/26.555m = 19.9%], Korea* [7.958m/71.058m = 11.2%], Laos* [2.653m/5.918m = 44.8%], Panama [0.172m/3.235m = 5.3%], Philippines [9.080m/82.809m = 11.0%], Puerto Rico [0.039m/3.915m = 1.0%], Somalia* [5.568m/10.742m = 51.8%], US Virgin Islands [0.003m/0.113m = 2.4%], Vietnam* [24.015m/83.585m = 28.7%], total = 82.193m/357.651m = 23.0%.
Thus in the period 1950-2005 there have been 82 million avoidable deaths from deprivation (avoidable mortality, excess deaths, excess mortality , deaths that did not have to happen) associated with countries occupied by the US in the post-1945 era.
Further advancing the destruction of the international rules based order that USA developed and upon which international trade and security have come to be based...
USA made the rules and now they dont suit it and it does not want to comply it abandons the framework it created.
Reminiscent of a spoilt child losing a board game.
The core problem here goes beyond Greenpeace and this specific dispute. It speaks to the balance between defending the sovereignty of domestic judicial outcomes and mitigating the costs of perpetual legal exposure in multiple jurisdictions. If a matter has been fully litigated and resolved under U.S. law, reopening it elsewhere does not simply revisit the facts. It undermines the finality on which our civil justice system depends. Businesses operate on the expectation that once a verdict is reached they can move forward without fear of being dragged into yet another venue with different rules and standards. To preserve fairness and predictability there must be clear limits on the extraterritorial reach of litigation. Without them the precedent set will not only drain resources from targeted companies but also create hesitation among innovators and investors who rely on legal certainty to take calculated risks. This is not a question of avoiding accountability but of ensuring that the rules of engagement remain consistent and finite.
USA has no right to dictate to Venezuela who it can sell oil to. Time the USA stopped thinking and acting as if it is the global government. USA is serially breaching international law yet expecting others to abide by those same laws. Hypocrisy and arrogance of a nation that bullies all other nations.
Stealing other nations resources - this is the primary source of US wealth.
You just admitted it.
BTW your military industrial combine is severely compromised without refined rare earths supply upon which manufacture of 95% of US military materiel is dependent.
USA cannot make more 'guns' anymore.
Putin doesn't represent Russia but you are not blockading Putins shadow fleet.
Stealing other nations resources - this is the primary source of US wealth.
Yeah Henry Ford stole the technology for the automobile and the assembly line from Mexico. Sure.
BTW your military industrial combine is severely compromised without refined rare earths supply upon which manufacture of 95% of US military materiel is dependent.
So come defend your trade deals if our military is compromised. What does international law matter if you can't enforce it?
Putin doesn't represent Russia but you are not blockading Putins shadow fleet.
Europe is a lost cause. China still has hope to be liberated from communism.
Without Europe and NATO the USA becomes very exposed.
It would be lucky to even cling onto hegemony over the Americas.
Chinese flagged oil tankers are already approaching Venezuela and a Russian flagged tanker the Bella 1 leaving Venezuela has remained on course as USA is too scared to board it.
If USA does not defend Europe from Russia and China then Japan and S.Korea are going to get the message and switch sides to China too - most of their trade is already with China anyway.
The decline of the US empire is sketched out by @ZhangJiao ...
Trump is scared of Putin and Xi.
The Jewish banker backed US empire is in retreat- can it claw back Venezuela and its precious oil? Doubtful.
Western Europe already committed suicide to its own brand of communism. They're insufferable self-hating state-worshipping retards. We left that shithole for a reason. By all means, it's all yours.
If USA does not defend Europe from Russia and China then Japan and S.Korea are going to get the message and switch sides to China too - most of their trade is already with China anyway.
The message is that all the time and effort we wasted in Europe and the Middle East can now be redirected to the Pacific where its actually appreciated. I don't think Japan is going to ally itself with the communists anytime soon.
Dump some bodies into the strait if you're serious about challenging "US imperialism." Let's see how that "good governance" and those rare earths work out for the fearsome Chinese navy.
Without its allies in Europe and Asia providing a front line against China and Russia USA is exposed and vulnerable. USA is retreating because the military industrial combine is weak and tired due to the infiltration of your government by rentseeking corporate lobbyist parasites. Great wealth and power breed arrogance and ignorance and the neoliberal Libertarian US exceptionalist delusions that erodes the strength and vitality of the US empire.
USA is retreating because the military industrial combine is weak and tired due to the infiltration of your government by rentseeking corporate lobbyist parasites.
It was guilt-tripped into permitting inflitration by Jews and hordes of third world worlders. The central government was purged of those influences last year. If the communists have any sense they'll wait quietly for a suicidal Democrat to take office, who would actively side with mainland communists. The obvious play is to do nothing and wait for the US to vote for communism and kill itself quietly, but instead they seem to be thinking of the US as a monolith. We haven't had a civil war in a long time. Only half the population is capitalist and the other half is just as far left as Xi's regime.
That's why I'm telling you, please bomb Alaska now while we still have a pro-Western administration.
The fact that original founder of Greenpeace quit the organization and basically says that the whole CO2 issue is a giant scam tells you most of what you need to know about climate science.
Environmental poisoning is an absolute real issue, its just that CO2 isn't it....
It actually seems like this is finally starting to be acknowledged.
I have a friend that's leftist and very environmentally oriented. But he's absolutely a huge enemy of Greenpeace. I never delved into details, but I assume there's some huge problems (corruption, etc) in their background.
USA expects to and does impose its power globally ignoring the sovereign rights of other nations.
If it does not get what it wants it often invades other nations to get its way.
Most of these wars have been in breach of both the US constitution and international law.
Stop being such violent warmongering statist hypocrits.
BTW most of the world sees USA abandoning the Paris climate accords as an absolute betrayal of the USAs leadership role in science and international affairs.
Nations USA has invaded -
(1) American Indian nations (1776 onwards, American Indian Genocide; 1803, Louisiana Purchase; 1844, Indians banned from east of the Mississippi; 1861 onwards, California genocide; 1890, Lakota Indians massacre), (2) Mexico (1836-1846; 1913; 1914-1918;
1923), (3) Nicaragua (1856-1857; 1894; 1896; 1898; 1899; 1907; 1910; 1912-1933; 1981-1990), (4) American forces deployed against Americans (1861-1865, Civil War; 1892; 1894; 1898; 1899-1901; 1901; 1914; 1915; 1920-1921; 1932; 1943; 1967; 1968; 1970; 1973; 1992; 2001), (5), Argentina (1890), (6), Chile (1891; 1973), (7) Haiti (1891; 1914-1934; 1994; 2004-2005), (8) Hawaii (1893-), (9) China (1895-1895; 1898-1900; 1911-1941; 1922-1927; 1927-1934; 1948-1949; 1951-1953; 1958), (10) Korea (1894-1896; 1904-1905; 1951-1953), (11) Panama (1895; 1901-1914; 1908; 1912; 1918-1920; 1925; 1958; 1964; 1989-), (12) Philippines (1898-1910; 1948-1954; 1989; 2002-), (13) Cuba (1898-1902; 1906-1909; 1912; 1917-1933; 1961; 1962), (14) Puerto Rico (1898-; 1950; ); (15) Guam (1898-), (16) Samoa (1899-), (17) Honduras (1903; 1907; 1911; 1912; 1919; 1924-1925; 1983-1989), (18) Dominican Republic (1903-1904; 1914; 1916-1924; 1965-1966), (19) Germany (1917-1918; 1941-1945; 1948; 1961), (20) Russia (1918-1922), (21) Yugoslavia (1919; 1946; 1992-1994; 1999), (22) Guatemala (1920; 1954; 1966-1967), (23) Turkey (1922), (24) El Salvador (1932; 1981-1992), (25) Italy (1941-1945); (26) Morocco (1941-1945), (27) France (1941-1945), (28) Algeria (1941-1945), (29) Tunisia (1941-1945), (30) Libya (1941-1945; 1981; 1986; 1989; 2011), (31) Egypt (1941-1945; 1956; 1967; 1973; 2013), (32) India (1941-1945), (33) Burma (1941-1945), (34) Micronesia (1941-1945), (35) Papua New Guinea (1941-1945), (36) Vanuatu (1941-1945), (37) Austria (1941-1945), (38) Hungary (1941-1945), (39) Japan (1941-1945), (40) Iran (1946; 1953; 1980; 1984; 1987-1988; ), (41) Uruguay (1947), (42) Greece (1947-1949), (43) Vietnam (1954; 1960-1975), (44) Lebanon (1958; 1982-1984), (45) Iraq (1958; 1963; 1990-1991; 1990-2003; 1998; 2003-2011), (46) Laos (1962-), (47) Indonesia (1965), (48) Cambodia (1969-1975; 1975), (49) Oman (1970), (50) Laos (1971-1973), (51) Angola (1976-1992), (52) Grenada (1983-1984), (53) Bolivia (1986; ), (54) Virgin Islands (1989), (55) Liberia (1990; 1997; 2003), (56) Saudi Arabia (1990-1991), (57) Kuwait (1991), (58) Somalia (1992-1994; 2006), (59) Bosnia (1993-), (60) Zaire (Congo) (1996-1997), (61) Albania (1997), (62) Sudan (1998), (63) Afghanistan (1998; 2001-), (64) Yemen (2000; 2002-), (65) Macedonia (2001), (66) Colombia (2002-), (67) Pakistan (2005-), (68) Syria (2008; 2011-), (69) Uganda (2011), (70) Mali (2013), (71) Niger (2013).
Here is a summary of post-1950 avoidable mortality/ 2005 population (both in millions, m) and expressed as a percentage (%) for each country occupied by the US in the post-1945 era. The asterisk () indicates a major occupation by more than one country in the post-WW2 era (thus, for example, the UK and the US have been major occupiers of Afghanistan , Iraq and Korea , leaving aside the many other minor participants in these conflicts). Data is also given for the US: US [8.455m/300.038m = 2.8%], Afghanistan [16.609m/25.971m = 64.0%], Cambodia* [5.852m/14.825m = 39.5%], Dominican Republic [0.806m/8.998m = 9.0%], Federated States of Micronesia [0.016m/0.111m = 14.4%], Greece* [0.027m/10.978m = 0.2%], Grenada* [0.018m/0.121m = 14.9%], Guam [0.005m/0.168m = 3.0%], Haiti* [4.089m/8.549m = 47.9%], Iraq* [5.283m/26.555m = 19.9%], Korea* [7.958m/71.058m = 11.2%], Laos* [2.653m/5.918m = 44.8%], Panama [0.172m/3.235m = 5.3%], Philippines [9.080m/82.809m = 11.0%], Puerto Rico [0.039m/3.915m = 1.0%], Somalia* [5.568m/10.742m = 51.8%], US Virgin Islands [0.003m/0.113m = 2.4%], Vietnam* [24.015m/83.585m = 28.7%], total = 82.193m/357.651m = 23.0%.
Thus in the period 1950-2005 there have been 82 million avoidable deaths from deprivation (avoidable mortality, excess deaths, excess mortality , deaths that did not have to happen) associated with countries occupied by the US in the post-1945 era.
I think the US will just exit the international legal framework or simply refuse to comply with the ruling.
Further advancing the destruction of the international rules based order that USA developed and upon which international trade and security have come to be based...
USA made the rules and now they dont suit it and it does not want to comply it abandons the framework it created.
Reminiscent of a spoilt child losing a board game.
Symptomatic of an empire in decline.
The core problem here goes beyond Greenpeace and this specific dispute. It speaks to the balance between defending the sovereignty of domestic judicial outcomes and mitigating the costs of perpetual legal exposure in multiple jurisdictions. If a matter has been fully litigated and resolved under U.S. law, reopening it elsewhere does not simply revisit the facts. It undermines the finality on which our civil justice system depends. Businesses operate on the expectation that once a verdict is reached they can move forward without fear of being dragged into yet another venue with different rules and standards. To preserve fairness and predictability there must be clear limits on the extraterritorial reach of litigation. Without them the precedent set will not only drain resources from targeted companies but also create hesitation among innovators and investors who rely on legal certainty to take calculated risks. This is not a question of avoiding accountability but of ensuring that the rules of engagement remain consistent and finite.
USA has no right to dictate to Venezuela who it can sell oil to.
Time the USA stopped thinking and acting as if it is the global government.
USA is serially breaching international law yet expecting others to abide by those same laws.
Hypocrisy and arrogance of a nation that bullies all other nations.
I thought power came from the barrel of a gun? We have the gun, so fuck off. Maduro doesn't represent Venezuela.
Or did you want some kind of libertarian utopia where distribution of power isn't based on which regime uses the most violence and force?
Stealing other nations resources - this is the primary source of US wealth.
You just admitted it.
BTW your military industrial combine is severely compromised without refined rare earths supply upon which manufacture of 95% of US military materiel is dependent.
USA cannot make more 'guns' anymore.
Putin doesn't represent Russia but you are not blockading Putins shadow fleet.
Yeah Henry Ford stole the technology for the automobile and the assembly line from Mexico. Sure.
So come defend your trade deals if our military is compromised. What does international law matter if you can't enforce it?
Europe is a lost cause. China still has hope to be liberated from communism.
So you let Europe fall to Putin and China?
Without Europe and NATO the USA becomes very exposed.
It would be lucky to even cling onto hegemony over the Americas.
Chinese flagged oil tankers are already approaching Venezuela and a Russian flagged tanker the Bella 1 leaving Venezuela has remained on course as USA is too scared to board it.
If USA does not defend Europe from Russia and China then Japan and S.Korea are going to get the message and switch sides to China too - most of their trade is already with China anyway.
The decline of the US empire is sketched out by @ZhangJiao ...
Trump is scared of Putin and Xi.
The Jewish banker backed US empire is in retreat- can it claw back Venezuela and its precious oil? Doubtful.
Western Europe already committed suicide to its own brand of communism. They're insufferable self-hating state-worshipping retards. We left that shithole for a reason. By all means, it's all yours.
The message is that all the time and effort we wasted in Europe and the Middle East can now be redirected to the Pacific where its actually appreciated. I don't think Japan is going to ally itself with the communists anytime soon.
Dump some bodies into the strait if you're serious about challenging "US imperialism." Let's see how that "good governance" and those rare earths work out for the fearsome Chinese navy.
Without its allies in Europe and Asia providing a front line against China and Russia USA is exposed and vulnerable.
USA is retreating because the military industrial combine is weak and tired due to the infiltration of your government by rentseeking corporate lobbyist parasites.
Great wealth and power breed arrogance and ignorance and the neoliberal Libertarian US exceptionalist delusions that erodes the strength and vitality of the US empire.
It was guilt-tripped into permitting inflitration by Jews and hordes of third world worlders. The central government was purged of those influences last year. If the communists have any sense they'll wait quietly for a suicidal Democrat to take office, who would actively side with mainland communists. The obvious play is to do nothing and wait for the US to vote for communism and kill itself quietly, but instead they seem to be thinking of the US as a monolith. We haven't had a civil war in a long time. Only half the population is capitalist and the other half is just as far left as Xi's regime.
That's why I'm telling you, please bomb Alaska now while we still have a pro-Western administration.
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