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I thought of posting this as a comment to this post by @anon, but I thought of writing a full post for visibility. Kindly read that post first to make sense of this post, since essentially, this is a comment.


I sympathise with you, but also sense some undue frustration and bias in the post.

First off, not entire western Europe is Lugano or Arnheim. There are spots of the US (Austin, Miami, Tampa) and Canada (Vancouver) where you have decent merchant adoption, and it is growing.

To the extent you think Europe has bigger adoption, I would venture (you might even say speculate) two possible reasons

  • Before Trump's tariff tantrum, both GBP and Euro were on a long term decline (against the USD) since the 2007-08 crisis. Much as we yell about the currency debasement by the Federal reserve, it might have stung more on that side of the pond.
  • The currency landscape in Europe (even with the Eurozone covering a good part of it) is quite fragmented and a lot of trade happens with/within the Nordics (each having its own currency), UK, Switzerland. Even EU members of eastern Europe have their own currencies. This incentivises a marginally greater push towards a state-neutral (more universal) medium of exchange, and what's better than Bitcoin? Imagine if Florida had a different money than Texas.

As for Bitcoin going mainstream, I gave it some thought, and retail merchant adoption is the least of my concern/metric. I don't really care that much whether my next door ice-cream seller takes Sats (yet). He will, when the time comes. And he will regret why did not he do it sooner. But he is too small a fish anyway.

What I am trying to figure out, is how Bitcoin can penetrate the market for global trade settlement and dethrone Swift.

That is the plumbing of global finance, that is how the big capital flow happens, that is where the big guys (JP Morgan, HSBC to some punny bank in Africa) play. It is the Business-to-Business (B2B) settlement where very slow (but encouraging) change is happening. It is on the margin, on the fringe...but we all know the mantra-slowly, then suddenly.

What do I mean by B2B? Example: Emirates (the middle eastern Airlines), will accept Sats for ticket booking next year. Emaraat (an oil giant, also based in the UAE) already happily takes Sats. And Emaraat is likely also one of the suppliers of Emirates itself (those Boeing birds are nothing if not giant gas guzzlers), so imagine they decide do their quarterly settlement (worth may be 5000 BTC or more) in Bitcoin instead? I can totally see that happening in five years. Individually, both are adopting Sats in their own business, and only a matter of time before they figure they can get rid of the obsolete Swift rails.

And not just the future, even Chinese and Russian companies are starting to use BTC for offshore settlement (escaping Swift sanction or surveillance). Obviously, there is a lot of hush-hush around the specifics but bilateral corridors are developing in specific geographies and industries around BTC settlement. I did some study around this topic, and can potentially write a short essay around it, but this really is the most interesting area of BTC adoption one should look out for. Borderless, universal, state-neutral settlement layer...would not any big corporation supplying real commodity/service jump at it, unless the corporation itself is the gatekeeper of money (imagine JP Morgan, for example)? What still needs to happen is broader acceptability as an asset worth HODLing!

I wish someone like Saifedean Ammous would take a deeper look at this aspect of Bitcoin adoption (in addition to textbook economic theory, which, obviously, has its own value) and write/tell us more about how they see it. In fact, the whole eco-system of trade settlement/line-of-credit (denominated with Bitcoin and some hedge) and escrowing is an area ripe for innovation and even Strategy can become a big player here by contributing to the rails and collecting some fees (replacing the traditional banks). I bet a few Sats that the thought occurred in Saylor's mind.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism 57m

I sent my friend some sats this morning for a service rendered​. Both​ their oppressive, enslaving and war hungry overlords and mine of the same kind did not have the power to stop this exchange​, despite there being oceans and a bunch of hostile states between us.

That's what Bitcoin adoption brings. Since I am not China or Russia, or a petrol peddler, i don't really care about their schemes. Them using it owes zero of my recognition. My own trading partners is what matters to me.

Bitcoin adoption isn't some thing others do. It's what you do.

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People should focus more on individual adoption and not on "big players".
Bitcoin is for individuals and local circular economies, not for B2B and govs and countries.
So start focusing on your local neighbors not on X and Y super big retail chain or Z hedge fund or bullshit state reserve.

Bitcoin is building A PARALLEL ECONOMY and slowly replacing the old fiat one.

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Well. A local player is unlikely to be able to build a parallel Boeing, ExxonMobil, or TSMC. None of these are gatekeeprs to money or investment fund, they are businesses that serve real purpose, but obviously they need trustworthy settlement rails.

That is why I try to focus on their impacts and adoption at that level. All the burger or ice cream sellers cannot make up for one Boeing.

You can go orange pill the guy selling lemonade if you want. Meanwhile, Saylor orange pills ExxonMobil CFO.

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @SqNr65 9h

Bitcoin is for anyone who wants to use it. That very much includes b2b and govs and countries and all other entities you dislike. You're gonna have to cope with this at some point because it's here.

Bitcoin is not building a parallel economy. It is a part of the economy, and it's becoming a bigger and bigger part of the economy and will eventually replace the money that's currently in use in the economy.

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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 9h

No. Bitcoin is a natural selection...

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... and dumb people will be fucked.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SqNr65 8h

Hahaha no, you have delusions of grandeur and believe you are part of a select group of gifted individuals that will be the only beneficiary of this tech.

The truth is that everyone will eventually use Bitcoin because it's just better money than what they use now, and that includes everyone you think is "dumb", and you're going to have to come to terms with that at some point.

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69 sats \ 1 reply \ @ssaurel 12h

I think the people who are disappointed are primarily those who set specific goals with deadlines. The Bitcoin revolution doesn't care about that kind of prediction.

The Bitcoin revolution is progressing at its own pace. It will take as long as it takes, but what the Bitcoin revolution offers is so advantageous that it will eventually spread whether Bitcoin's opponents like it or not.

Patience will make all the difference.

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I'm surprised more people don't see it this way.

Pretty much all I see are steps forward. Why would I be disappointed that the steps aren't larger? Each step makes the world slightly better.

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Very well explained... I agree Bitcoin adoption is going ahead and we need look forward to fiat alternative. Which Bitcoin does best! ​​

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