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It may be a cliche, but I remain perfectly healthy decades in and there are many cases of healthy old vegans. You're simply painting with too broad of a brush and making unwarranted universal claims.
Not to mention how shitty it is to allege something as horrible as child abuse against very conscientious parents. Have some humility. You don't know as much as you obviously think you do.
@Undisciplined, I will always believe that a vegan diet for kids is a very bad idea, but I didn't mean to offend you. And perhaps the term "abuse" might be considered hyperbole. Especially as probably most of the parents who feed their kids vegan diets are indeed conscientious.
I have no problem with that position but I will suggest that you aren’t getting the most charitable accounts by only listening to carnivore sources on veganism.
Neither diet gets a fair hearing from the medical establishment for a few reasons that I know you’re familiar with.
- Dietary changes can resolve virtually all common health problems, making them an existential threat to the industry
- Doctors don’t know anything about nutrition generally
- Nutrition science is notoriously low quality
- Doctors tend to be wildly arrogant and discount other people’s knowledge.
I agree with your numbered points - yes, establishment medicine is often just plain fraud.
But I'd say that before going carnivore I was for sure exposed to a large amount of vegan/vegetarian info. It's pretty mainstream nowadays.
And that's where I got all my ideas from (fruits and veggies are great, the more the better, whole grains are great, legumes are healthier than meat). I did eat animal products, but tried hard to limit them, especially beef.
Maybe it's true that I'm not giving the vegan diet a fair chance. I'd be curious to know if there's loads of positive "carnivore to vegan" accounts, like there are in the other direction.
Vegans are probably going to be more health conscious in a lot of ways. And they'll probably not eat a ton of processed food. (But not always, I definitely know some junk food vegans).
Also, vegans are going to be higher income. Higher income usually is correlated to better health. So that will give them a health boost as well.
However, over time the deficiencies associated with a vegan diet will add up (B-12, iron, protein, etc.) and result in worse health. It's a cliché in the carnivore world, I've listened to many podcast interviews on this topic. Someone goes vegan, experiences some health benefits (usually from dropping the processed food), but then long term, has some severe negative consequences.
This channel - No Carb Life - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzcoPGdDRiPiWZYV4_EkzPQ has really great interviews with carnivores, there's tons of former vegans.
I realize these are all "anecdotes", but when the medical establishment is constantly lying, this is what we have.