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"Lobby" means "order" in this case.
I've heard this argument made before, but never seen it laid out in detail, e.g., what is the source of this power that people claim Israel has over the US. Is there a canonical one that you'd recommend?
I'm also very curious about how this state of affairs came to be. The current Trump presidency has removed any doubt I had that this is the current state of affairs, though.
I haven't read this, but I've listened to John Mearsheimer speak and he seems fairly level headed? He wrote a book called The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy
Come to think of it, maybe this will be my next audiobook.
It's an important topic, and hard to get signal on vs. noise. There is a lot of genuine antisemitism out there, but also genuine Islamophobia. On the other hand, there is a lot of legitimate critique of Israel / Zionism, as well as a lot of legitimate critique about the Palestinian movements and Islamism more generally.
Seems about par for the course. Dunno if we can realistically free of the tangle for anything at all important.
Both anti Semitism and Islamaphobia have been exaggerated
edit: 1967 was a turning point... France and England were primary arms dealers for Israel in 1967 and before... 1973 Yom Kippur War was when USA became primary arms dealer for Israel
1979 Camp David Accords codified payments to both Egypt and Israel
I agree. Both sides of the debate have an inherent incentive to paint the other side as motivated by hate, even when they aren't.
I am not bothered by hate as long as it's non violent
The problem is when hate turns into violence
but didn't you know? words are violence
For hundreds of years Jewish bankers have funded the wars of Europe and Europes global conquest and imperialism. Hitler took them on and lost.
Jews have always been immune to the historically strong sanctions within both Muslim and Christian religions against usury- and used that immunity to be the bankers of Christendom. The Jewish bankers treasure control of money and debt and discretion and privacy. Detailed inquiries will be met by their hired mercenaries and assassins.
Today with their nation state of Israel and a declining US empire to act as their vehicle Israel is exerting more direct military force than ever before- it faces a new challenge- the rise of China as the US declines - and China will not be enslaved by Jewish bankers.
Israel and the Jewish bankers, like everyone else who has sheltered behind the US military now must increasingly fund and direct their own military defense and power projection as US recedes into its regional hegemony over the Americas.
Can USA even regain Venezuela from Chinese tribute status? Iran is perhaps one piece of the Chinese led challenge to US imperialism that is vulnerable to attack from Israel...but its is a complex contest already on many fronts and more emerging.
The USA lacks the ability to engage in any large scale sustained modern warfare with its supply of rare earths now cut off for at least the next decade.
So your position is that Jews (still) control the financial world bc usury was forbidden to the other religions two thousand years ago? And based on the torrents of money made from that enterprise, they have built a secret cadre of stormtroopers and Epstein-like temptors that build blackmail dossiers on everyone and kill them if they make trouble?
Usury is still forbidden within the Muslim world and in the Bible for that matter even though in the Christian world those warnings against usury have been increasingly ignoired over the last 500 years. If you study banking networks you will discover they closely align with military structures. Read about the Opium Wars and how the British warships and cannons were followed by the British banks emplaced in Hong Kong territiry that the British seized from China. Or study 5Eyes spy network and its close alignment to the banks in those countries. Banking and military structures are fundamental to nations power projection and by operating them Jewish bankers have enjoyed considerable power over the centuries of western imperialism. In banking discretion is at least as important as in military matters...as is controlling the narrative- and bankers are expert at that. The centuries of accumulated Jewish bankers power and wealth is today under challenge from China. That is how I see it since you ask.
I appreciate you laying it out.
I doubt something like that exists. Objectively there is probably a ton of evidence supporting both sides of the argument. It is a slippery slope. Anti - Zionism deep dives often lead to what really seems like antisemitic conspiracy theories.
exactly, usa is an israel colony
What's the justification this time?