And I'm inclined to agree with you siggy, as I count myself amongst those you mentioned. I don't however trust any bitcoiners, even the ones I respect. I do trust human nature and incentive structures. I guess I was arguing it from that point, assuming the worst, then suggesting CBDC's are fukt less because of their inherent evils, and more because of incentive structures, greed, and human nature that bitcoin will bring over it