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0 sats \ 10 replies \ @DarthCoin 6h \ on: Are we (in the US) in a low trust society or just transitioning from high trust? bitcoin
LOLOLOLOL from where did you bring this up?
"high trust society" WTF does even mean that?
Bitcoin doesn't fix anything. People fix things. But people are too dumb to see the truth...
I think what OP might be saying is that the US is "high trust" in the sense that the people living there are primarily trusting of one another. But I could be wrong.
Could you elaborate on how being a sovereign individual wrt the state apparatus relates to trust? I haven't thought too much about this tbh.
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You are correct. I am describing what I have observed living my life in the US. Dealing with people much older than myself and also growing up around people from lower trust societies.
Examples.
Anyone from a former Soviet state has always been less trusting in my experience. People from India as well. Many from South America.
As @DarthCoin says Americans seem foolish and to older Americans people with low trust in other people seem cynical.
I was not specifically referring to trust in the state or institutions but that trust has errorded as well. I wasn't making a value judgement on either of these. I think I understand why both occur.
As Darth points out trust between individuals is easier and in small communities you see higher trust than in large cities.
I think Bitcoin is a tool and it works in both cultures but it's vital in low trust societies and especially in a connected world we have today.
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Bitcoin is exactly that thing that was lost during centuries of controlled money domination and now it could bring back that "glue" that create a trust between individual trades. It cannot be faked like many other form of money. And exactly that is what world needs right now.
But as I said, without people that are waking up and step out from the old system, bitcoin is totally useless. No matter how much we want to trade using bitcoin, but we still go back to old system, we will not gonna make it, we will stagnate in the same cage.
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And yet you @DarthCoin do not enable Bitcoin LN payments on your SN account.
You deliberately BOYCOTT BTC p2p MoE here on SNs.
@DarthCoin is a blatant arsemilking hypocrit.
Boycott @DarthCoin until he re enables his SNs BTC MoE wallet.
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Yeah, the problems and solutions come from people. People make tools that can help or hurt. Sometimes the tool can do both. Bitcoin is amoral. But it's honest and doesn't REQUIRE trust.
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OP didn't refer to a trust in a state, as gov apparatus, he refers to society as a bunch of people.
But how would you have trust in a society ? You can't.
Trust is earned between individuals. Society is just a word, nothing real.
And bitcoin is just a tool, that in good hands could make good things, but in wrong hands could do bad things.
So saying that "bitcoin fixes this" is quite stupid.
As long as people are stupid and do not use bitcoin properly, bitcoin will fix absolutely nothing. That's why I posted that meme.
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Its hard for me to think about how trust in society (or trust between people in communities) would be affected by bitcoin adoption.
I generally think that higher trust exists in smaller communities. I think the coordination advantages of living among fewer people is probably related. Also, the cooperation needed to maintain these communities -- absent the desire or ability to defer, as a default, all problems to a higher authority -- probably helps.
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You cannot trust a society... only its individual members. Society is just a concept, a group of people, but every of those people are very different individuals, even that they form a common goal in something.
You cannot say "I trust X" and because X trusted Y and Z "I also trust 100 of X". That's stupid and is not trust, is just blind following, like sheeps.
Trust is bond earned very hard between individuals, not fictitious entities.
Trust a society is like saying I trust all SN as a community. That is plain stupid. You cannot know very well and build a trust relation with somebody from a society that you don't know who is a member or what they do.
I trust NOBODY online, even that are 2 stackers here on SN that knows me in real life.
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And yet you @DarthCoin do not enable Bitcoin LN payments on your SN account.
You deliberately BOYCOTT BTC p2p MoE here on SNs.
@DarthCoin is a blatant arsemilking hypocrit.
Boycott @DarthCoin until he re enables his SNs BTC MoE wallet.
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