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40 sats \ 7 replies \ @elvismercury OP 12 Dec \ parent \ on: A bunch of alarming shit BooksAndArticles
Have you been through an adoptive process? It's quite expensive. Significant amounts of money change hands before a baby ends up as the legal child of the adoptive parents. You don't have to like surrogacy, but the arguments you're making seem pretty tenuous to me.
I'm curious if you have similar feelings about broad swathes of the economy where people in dire circumstances take shitty jobs that nobody in less dire circumstances would ever take. For instance, there's quite the cottage industry in third-world countries paying people to adjudicate terrible videos of animals being tortured for fun, and the like. The psychological costs of this job are substantial, but presumably people in those circumstances think it's less bad than the alternative. Is this fine, or not fine?
Being expensive isn't the same thing as purchasing a child, obviously.
If you're asking whether other forms of exploitation exist, then yes, obviously. You can exploit people for their meat, their attention, their wombs. None of these are categorically the same as offering a product or service that increases your own capacity and capabilities, your own power, the more you do it.
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Being expensive isn't the same thing as purchasing a child, obviously.
The distinction isn't as obvious to me -- or to most people, apparently -- as it is to you. Which is not itself a problem.
The problem would be if you think you've performed some devastating praxeological smackdown, which you have not. However, it wouldn't be my problem, so I'm content to let it alone.
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You're obviously trying to come to a conclusion that you want to come to. In adoption, do you pay the birth mother? Or do you pay administrators of the process? Are those administrators paid to deliver you a product or service, or to ensure that the child's interests are upheld which means potentially denying you the product you want to pay for?
This is obvious so what's you're agenda, why play dumb?
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Agreed, I'm not open to discussion on the moral acceptability of surrogacy. It's malum in se, categorically the same murder or cannibalism.