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21 sats \ 7 replies \ @DarthCoin 5 Feb 2023 \ parent \ on: Muun wallet is bloating the chain with submarine swaps bitcoin
There are many types of "muun users":
  • clueless noobs, that are just following somebody else saying "use muun"
  • bitcoiners that know what they are doing and use Muun when they need a swap (some of these don't really know the "dark" practices of Muun)
  • researchers, testers, that use Muun as testing ground
  • fanatics followers of Muun that don't want to hear anything
Is not about "muun is working like a charm"... is about HOW is working. Is a wrong model.
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272 sats \ 1 reply \ @gandlaf21 OP 5 Feb 2023
This is spot on. Muun works like "a charm" until it doesn't. Their model is putting them AND the users out of control. It won't work like this. Users and muun will have a bad awakening at some point in the future. They need to change
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426 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 5 Feb 2023
I am astonished by the big number of "privacy advocates" pushing noobs to use Muun. But NONE of these are talking about how Muun is managing the xpubs of each Muun user.
NONE of Muun users are in control of those xpubs. Muun servers are. Meanwhile these "privacy advocates" are screaming all day, not your keys, not your bitcoins. Damn it, xpub ARE your public keys and if somebody else know them you are screwed, they can scan all your movements.
YOU CANNOT EXPORT OR CONTROL XPUBS IN MUUN. And Muun is linked to your Google Play account - that means they can also link it to your IMEI.
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @asi0 5 Feb 2023
could you elaborate on these dark practices?
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 5 Feb 2023
submarine swaps instead of simply LN channels. Submarine swaps are not meant to be used as payments. Are simply swaps in/out into LN channels, when is needed more liquidity
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11 sats \ 1 reply \ @asi0 7 Feb 2023
Oh I misunderstood your previous comment! I thought you said that an user can leverage the fact that muum is using submarine swaps through some dark pratices. But what you called dark pratices are those of muum wallet itself by doing these swaps.
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80 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 7 Feb 2023
Yes, many of muun users don't even know how that app works. Only few really knows that muun actually is doing submarine swaps all the time.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @super_testnet 8 Feb 2023
Submarine swaps are not meant to be used as payments
What else can you use them for?
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