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10 sats \ 8 replies \ @LibertyLuminary OP 30 Jan 2023 \ parent \ on: Can a Statist also be a Bitcoin Maxi?? bitcoin
Whatever agreements, contracts, covenants, etc. that might be established between consenting parties - is up to those parties to agree upon.
One does not have to convey an acceptable alternative to every statist scenario in order to solidly establish and recognize the wickedness of what exists in the current norm. None of the "what-if's" does a SINGLE thing to legitimize the countless ways that statism is an afront to Liberty... Here. Now. Actually!!
My individual responsibility is to function within society in a manner that is consistent with my stated principles. It would be contradictory for me to suggest imposing my worldview upon others.
What is appropriate for me (IMHO), is to speak about these principles.
If Liberty was successfully used as propaganda toward achieving statism, centuries ago... Then perhaps it will work as an effective tool toward promoting the true merits of the principles of Liberty, today.
Ok, so this where I get back to mental masturbation. Forget about every statist scenario, I posed one, extremely simple and practical scenario. Who is going to defend my property (besides me)? Without at least some practical thinking, you're essentially just painting a "wouldn't it be nice" scenario.
If your definition of "a state" is simply the coercive governments we have today, then sure I'm no statist.
Practically speaking, it sounds like what you're describing is just setting up a better, voluntary oriented "state". So it feels like we're just arguing semantics.
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I will answer your one extremely simple and practical scenario with the following question - Who would you suggest is [responsible] for defending your property... Besides yourself?
It is not semantics. And I am not referring only to the coercive governments that exist today. I am referring to ALL coercive governments. Any that exist today, and all that might hope to exist in the future. I reject coercion. I reject mob rule, no matter how small.
Also, I have not made any inference that I would personally support anything that resembles a voluntary "government."
I advocate for reciprocal agreements between consenting individuals. I advocate for personal accountability, and personal integrity in keeping with the principles of Liberty and non-aggression.
You may perceive those to be wishful thinking.... If so, then what ethical principles guide your steps? Am I duty-bound to my fellow man to provide for his needs in some sort of altruistic manner? Am I not accountable for my own actions (and inactions!)?
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"please bro, don't take my land. Nooo, we believe in only non-aggression and liberty around here. please, it would be so much better, let's just make a reciprocal agreement"
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Do you have a grasp on what NAP actually means? Did someone tell you that it means you are to be a pacifist and make no effort at defending your property?
Maybe this will help: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2gvsx4
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Libertarians and Indians: Proprietary Justice and Aboriginal Land Rights - Carl Watner
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And you never ask yourself WHO actually pushed those aggressors to take their land?
Not a state? An individual will not leave his home place and go over an ocean to conquer others land just for fun.
First is about the financial support.
All these invasions and conquering was done BY THE STATE!
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Yea, you guys really have it all figured out. Everyone just needs to believe in voluntarism and then we can sing kumbaya by the fire and all the problems caused by the state will go away!
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Please point to the post where such a declaration was made?
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