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3 sats \ 30 replies \ @demitasse 30 Jan 2023 \ on: Can a Statist also be a Bitcoin Maxi?? bitcoin
Yes, because bitcoin maximalism is a flawed ideology that contradicts itself constantly. just look at the "maxis" arguing to censor ordinals even though they don't break any consensus rules
I would say that those people simply are not Bitcoiners.
But I agree with you that we are being submarined. Republicans trying to pass off as liberterians. Conservatives masquerading as Bitcoiners.
In the end they always reveal their authoritarian faces. They want to censor transactions which is against FREEDOM. They want to close borders which ist against FREEDOM. They want to opress lgbtq people which is against personal FREEDOM. They want the government to regulate drugs which is against FREEDOM.
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Not bitcoiners, eh?
https://twitter.com/udiWertheimer/status/1619780147779092482
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Yes. Individuals can do whatever they want. Miners can make blocks with whatever they want.
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so when they do it to censor ordinals transactions it's fine? but when jihan wu was doing it to raise fees with empty blocks to incentivize people to use bcash it wasn't fine?
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so when they do it to censor ordinals transactions it's fine?
Yes. Everyone is free to do whatever they want.
but when jihan wu was doing it to raise fees with empty blocks to incentivize people to use bcash it wasn't fine?
It was fine. Of course it was. Everyone can do whatever they want. Bitcoin is made in a way that incentivizes itself instead of forcing it with an authoritarian central party.
I think you don't get it yet.
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Lol, you said people arguing to censor ordinals are not real bitcoiners, I showed you adam back making the argument to censor ordinals, and now you're saying I don't get it, hahahaha. More maximalism larping
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Nah, it's actually very easy: Everyone can do whatever they want.
That's it. That's all. If a miner wants to censor he can do so. If other people don't want to build on top of these blocks they can do so. If other people refuse to build on the blocks they can do so too. Where is the problem?
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the problem is by anyone's definition adam back is a real bitcoiner, and you saying that people arguing for censorship are not real bitcoiners, then backpedalling on it and saying anyone can do what they want when shown that real bitcoiners are arguing for censorship. i agree anyone can do what they want, but censorship of transactions which don't break consensus is not very freedom minded or aligned with bitcoin's freedom philosophy. You don't see a problem with bitcoiners getting butthurt and trying to gain support to censor transactions they don't like when the transactions are paying for blockspace and within the consensus rules?
@demitasse - Do you support statism? Do you find statism to be a "sound ideology," free of contradictions?
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No, I am an anarchist for the most part. I believe in freedom, and statism isn't compatible with this. I think minarchism is for freedom larpers
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Thank you for the response.
When you say "for the most part," what do you mean by that? What is the other part?
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Well, I try to live as free as possible but I still exist in a statist world, so there is stuff I need to do that I don't agree with just to live and minimize hostile state interactions, like having a driver's license for example. I think it is a bunch of bullshit to have to have one, but I also don't want to go to jail for driving without one. I am an anarchist who is trying to free myself and working towards this goal but I am not free yet, if that makes sense
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The choice between the lesser of predations is no choice at all.
An analogy could be: A woman who is told by her rapist to be still or he will kill her after raping her, is not therefore consenting to being raped just because she prefers to live more than resisting.
Recall the original question - "Can a Statist also be a Bitcoin Maxi??"
The answer = NO.
Just like a theist cannot simultaneously be a non-theist.
The intent of this thread is not to cause shitcoiners to battle with Bitcoin maxi's. The intent of the thread is to encourage some meaningful dialogue/debate with self-professing Bitcoin maxi's who also WILLFULLY engage in the propagation of statism.
This is NOT a debate about whether or not Bitcoin is better than shitcoins. This is about whether someone who claims to be aligned with the PRINCIPLES of Bitcoin maximalism, can honestly make such a claim if they are also a supporter of statism, since statism is in conflict with the principles of Bitcoin maximalism.
If someone disagrees with that, let's hear it!
For those who do agree, but you find yourself lining up to vote, or even pushing for state sanctioned Bitcoin adoption (ouch!).... Choose your premise!
This does not mean we ought to reject where oppression is reduced and instead wish for more oppression. Not at all!. But we should not act like damn cheerleaders for those who wish to rule us, when they pretend to be benevolent by reducing their oppression.
The man who is proudly certain of his self-ownership, will respect his fellow man in the same manner that he wishes to be respected (NAP). He will also REFUSE to play the game of would-be rulers, to include all which is tied to any presumed sanction or legitimization of the scheme which seeks to strip him of his individual sovereignty.
I am speaking to the maxi's who do not understand this.
Choose a principled and consistent path toward Liberty. Such is impossible for the statist.
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projection
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Does an ideology create itself? Or do inconsistent individuals act as pretenders and thus confuse others from the true merits?
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maximalism has harmed bitcoin more than helped it with maximalists becoming close minded and emotional rather than addressing very real conversations about weaknesses limitations and attack vectors in bitcoin
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sell all your sats and stick with your shitcoins
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also, your sad tantrum is confirming what i am saying, instead of addressing the inconvenient facts you'd rather throw a childish tantrum and resort to calling me names.
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the only sats I have are to use lightning, I don't hold any other sats except in my channels so i can use stuff like fountain and stacker, I have sold all my sats for monero because it is better cypherpunk money
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donate monero...
LOL such a shitcoiner
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Yeah, privacy by default is a much better tradeoff than opt in privacy. coinjoins are a weak opt in privacy no different than zcash's private transactions. nobody uses them and the anonymity set is worthless. lightning isn't private. the dark web isn't using lightning and is actively advising that nobody should ever use bitcoin. if you don't see a problem with cypherpunks avoiding your precious transparent chain cypherpunk money then you are the problem
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cringe meme. show me just one dark web user who uses lightning for illegal activity. show me a ransomware that requests a lightning payment. until you can do either, your memes are just cringe
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lightning isn't private.
Right there shows how few you know about Bitcoin...
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nobody on the dark web who is avoiding law enforcement cares about your opinion, this is the reality. you are not actually making a counter argument to the fact that the dark web isn't using lightning. you are having an emotional outburst because I don't care about your opinion
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dark web
LOL live into the light not into the darkness...
Debating with shitcoiners is totally useless.
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sorry if you don't like it, but that is the real world test and proving grounds for the technology. LOL at bitcoiners who pretend like the dark web isn't important for bitcoin. I guess fully aml/kyc'd regulated and taxed "censorship resistance" is what you think bitcoin is? hahaha it's laughable how bad maxi's larp
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