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99 sats \ 29 replies \ @SqNr65 18 Nov \ on: Why people are cheering up for El Salvador BTC reserve ? bitcoin
A government is not a corporation darth, don't be ridiculous
Bitcoin is going to be the money of the entire world. That means all governments and all entities of all kinds will deal in Bitcoin. But they don't all deal in Bitcoin yet. Bitcoin being the money of the world is what we want, that's the goal. So when early adopters adopt it early, we cheer as progress is being made towards the goal of everyone adopting it.
Like it or not (and I certainly do not), governments provide certain services to the population. most people are onboard with this. A broke mismanaged government is not what people want. A financially healthy and well financed government is what people want. This move helps the government become more financially healthy and well financed, so people like it.
I know you're prolly going to rail about how things aught to be, but this is how things are.
LOL you have no idea. ALL govs are corporations.
Did you check their DUNS number?
governments provide certain services to the population
like fucking all things and killing people?
People provide services not governments. Govs are just stealing money from people.
Please stop being such a statist, is lame.
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I know I know, you've already made posts railing about how things aught to be.
Again, this is how things are. Your post does an excellent job of outlining the difference between a government and a corporation. They do not behave in the same way at all, they're not governed by the same incentives and constraints, they perform fundamentally different functions.
I know you think people are stupid and should not treat the government as any different than a corporation but again, this is simply how you think things aught to be.
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You have no idea how this fucked up world works... maaan you are really living in a cage, in a continuous cognitive dissonance
Your belief in a government is really disturbing.
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I'll give 1 example out of many possible ones.
The government has the power to set rules that all corporations must follow. No corporation has this power. Only government does.
That alone sets it apart, and makes it incorrect to state that the government is a corporation.
Wether you think this is how it should be or not is a different matter. Wether you think this is only because people are stupid and brainwashed is is irrelevant. This is how it is. I don't think this is how it should be. I don't support this state of affairs. But I acknowledge that this is the reality.
It's fine to think things should be a certain way. It's not fine to pretend they are that way when they are not. That's the difference between idealism and delusion.
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No they do not have any power over me. Without my consent nobody have any power over me.
But if you give your consent, then is your problem not mine. Do not try to put me in the same cage you are in.
Please show me that proof, document, from where a government have any authority over me. Where did I sign that and give the power to somebody ?
A gov will be in power as long the dumb people will continue to give their consent.
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Darth, focus. You're not responding to what I said, you're responding to a conversation you're having by yourself in your own mind. I didn't say they have power over you. I said they are not a corporation and to pretend they are is delusional.
"A gov will be in power as long the dumb people will continue to give their consent."
This is exactly my point. You know that the government is in power and you know why. Wether it's dumb for people to do this or not does not materially affect the real true fact that they are in power and that their power and behavior is very different from a corporation.
You know all this Darth, why are you pretending otherwise?
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Do you know what is DUNS number?
Every fucking commercial company in the world must have a DUNS number.
Ok now look at this: every fucking government in this fucked up world have a DUNS number... govs are CORPORATIONS.
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Darth, that's a really stupid argument. "All corporations must have a DUNS" doesn't mean all entities with a DUNS number are corporations.
You're engaging in a Converse Error fallacy here.
All squares are rectangles.
→ True.
All rectangles are squares.
→ False.
Same pattern:
All corporations have DUNS numbers.
X has a DUNS number.
Therefore, X is a corporation.
→ Fallacy.
But more importantly, "Corporation" is a very well defined term with specific legal implications.
A corporation is a specific kind of legal entity created under corporate law. A government is a different kind of legal entity. Having a DUNS number does not make the government a corporation, it just provides a standardized identifier for administrative purposes. The government is a sovereign entity, created by a constitution or statute, with powers that a corporation does not have, such as taxation, law enforcement, and regulation. Governments may create government-owned corporations (also called state-owned enterprises or crown corporations depending on your jurisdiction), but the government itself is not a corporation.
It's perfectly fine for you to have moral qualms about what the government does, that's very good Darth. It's great that you don't like the government. It's not great that you don't understand what a corporation is and what it isn't. Having a DUNS number is not what defines a corporation. And governments are very different from corporations in many ways. Not sure why you're so hung up on this but it just ain't so.
Lastly, I'm not sure if you think that insulting people and constantly saying how fucked up the world is bolsters your argument or if you just enjoy being an asshole, but I just want to let you know that it does not bolster anything, and that you're a proper asshole.
Governments are crucial enablers of the economy and security of citizens.
Without government no strong economy can exist- there are no property rights, security or rule of law.
You are free to go somewhere there is little or no government but you will not because you are not insane or suicidal, are you?
But you are a hypocrit because you cling like a baby to the nation state and the security and economy it enables for you to live under.
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Without government no strong economy can exist- there are no property rights, security or rule of law.
Government is the entity that specializes in violation of property rights. But you want to give it credit for protection of property rights. Your brain is a square circle.
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Without government how are property rights enforced?
How do I defend my land and assets from those who would seek to take it from me?
Without government it is the law of the jungle- the strongest can seize property from the weakest with impunity.
Government recognises this and puts itself in place as the strongest entity but where it is well operated it can and dose protect property rights in such way that wealth security and prosperity can develop.
Government is a natural role that has evolved from the nature of humans as humans are weak and greedy as individuals but can achieve much greater strength as a group.
Of course there are trade offs with government but overall it has proven an essential part of any human community.
You ascribe only bad attributes to government but in fact it is a human construct and is made up of humans and so is variable in quality just like humans.
Not all government is bad.
There has only ever been sustained wealth and prosperity where there is good government. We need to fight for it and not completely give up on the entire thing because without good government we are more or less fucked.
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Without government how are property rights enforced? How do I defend my land and assets from those who would seek to take it from me?
Join your local Bitcoin meetup, obviously.
Government is a natural role that has evolved from the nature of humans as humans are weak and greedy as individuals but can achieve much greater strength as a group.
The group collecting the protection fees at gunpoint is not representative of the people paying the fees. You're imagining some kind of symbiotic relationship that doesn't exist. There are humans that form businesses to produce goods and services, and there are humans that form gangs to steal what they can't acquire through trade. There's no moral justification for the latter to exist, ever. The most successful one is the worst.
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lol yeah right.
You need to read some basic economic theory to start getting an idea of reality.
Adam Smith is a good place to start.
‘People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the publick, or in some contrivance to raise prices’.
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Let's read on.
It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty and justice. But though the law cannot hinder people of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less to render them necessary. A regulation which obliges all those of the same trade in a particular town to enter their names and places of abode in a public register, facilitates such assemblies. . . . A regulation which enables those of the same trade to tax themselves in order to provide for their poor, their sick, their widows, and orphans, by giving them a common interest to manage, renders such assemblies necessary. An incorporation not only renders them necessary, but makes the act of the majority binding upon the whole.
In other words, it's the government's laws and regulations that facilitate such a conspiracy and allow it to succeed. In a free market it would fail.
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No, without government there would be no way to reduce cartels duopolies and monopolies- we would be ruled by corporations. Which is what is happening in the USA today with the government largely owned by its corporate sponsors. Crony capitalism is not ideal- it makes your USA inefficient and very likely to lose against the mercantile determination of China. Enjoy your coming 100 years of humiliation as a consequence of abandoning the mixed economy features such as robust anti trust laws and your stupid Libertarian free market fixes all nonsense which left you with no rare earths and militarily hostage to China.
Not all government is bad.
It's all bad. Stealing for the "common good" is always bad and nonsensical.
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Then why don't you go live somewhere there is little or no government?
You don't because you are a Hypocrit.
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My economic well-being is tied to Bitcoin, not the government. I can't/won't live in a jurisdiction that doesn't tolerate Bitcoin.
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You depend on the government to allow bitcoin.
Statist lapdog!