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There's a new wave of Lightning FUD hitting the wires, but that's noise. What no one else is talking about is the signal.
Reality is that Lightning faces a massive incentive problem, one it inherits from Bitcoin itself.
The great wave of shitcoins in the early years highlighted this problem way back then, but it's manifesting itself in a new, potentially even more dangerous way today.
Since Bitcoin, and its only real L2 in Lightning, are emergent, truly decentralized, disintermediated and "just work" as money, the profit motive for companies looking to benefit from a growing industry skews towards "inventing" things beyond them; there must always be something "new" to re-brand non-solutions or introduce middlemen.
Enter the newest attack by fake L2s, or shitcoins 2.0 as they should be more appropriately framed. Shitcoining 1.0 has lost its novelty, as over time people realize there is one true coin. Scammers have thus adapted, and are now affinity scamming as Bitcoin projects.
Ark, Spark, Citrea, Stacks, and countless others now... with their astroturf for Covenants that would lend them some perceived legitimacy... solve nothing.
These are all means not to solve problems or enhance UX, but to smuggle trust and centralization for profit.
Lightning wallets can very easily introduce trust and centralization with the same exact trade-offs; fake L2s are no different than zero-conf channels, but this isn't sexy and won't raise a bunch of money or generate hype. Actually enhancing UX is tedious, hard work, to which I can attest, and inherently requires scarce creativity, otherwise the challenges would be solved already.
This is a perfect storm for the scammer class. Unsophisticated users that lack technical discernment, combined with hipsters always ready to jump on the current thing bandwagon, magnify the scammer astroturf. This reinforces investment theses, then more investment yields more scams, which amp up hipsters and the unsophisticated; it's a downward spiral.
Unlike Shitcoins 1.0, Shitcoins 2.0 presents a Bitcoin contagion.
Never before have so many disparate scams sought to change Bitcoin itself to pervert the incentives further.
Shitcoins 1.0 sold you a new coin... Shitcoins 2.0 want to exploit YOUR coin.
Shitcoins 1.0 sold your friends and family a new investment thesis; Shitcoins 2.0 stand on the back of your hard-fought orange-pilling.
Covenants are the force multiplier of this attack.
These apps are in chorus over how it enhances the security of their centralized apps, and given their affinity scam nature, the security of Bitcoin. In reality, it has no monetary purpose, only to enable delegation to these centralized middlemen.
If you control your Bitcoin today, you control your Bitcoin, period. Covenants offer you nothing.
Covenants scammers want you to believe, however, that you can control your Bitcoin while someone else, via their fake L2 centralized application, controls your Bitcoin.
New OP_ Codes like CTV, CAT, DRIVECHAIN, and others represent a new era where changes to Bitcoin aren't argued on the merits of Bitcoin as money, but its use as an Ethereum-like stack for centralized applications.

The "Scaling" Smokescreen

You'll hear the emotional blackmail from scammers: "But don't you want to scale self-custody to 8 billion people? Don't you care about anyone else but yourself?"
This is a deliberate misdirection. Reality is that there are two factors in scaling:
  1. Transaction Throughput: Lightning already scales transactions infinitely. This is a solved problem.
  2. Ownership (Distribution): This is the real bottleneck. There's a minimum amount of Bitcoin needed to not be dust. Even at sub-sat fees today, there is not enough Bitcoin for everyone to trustlessly transact (i.e., have a unilateral exit). We're talking a few hundred million people at most, likely less as institutions continue to accumulate.
Lightning already has batch opens that reduce costs 80%, but no one uses them because cost isn't the bottleneck—ownership is. Fake L2s literally solve nothing. They are scammers trying to sell you a perpetual motion machine.

Ark as a Roach Motel

The scammer FUD continues: "What about receiving while offline? What about low-balance receiving when you don't have a channel?"
Ark solves neither of those things. Trust and centralization do.
Let's compare:
  • Lightning: To receive a low amount with no channel, you must use a trusted service. Someone (an LSP) receives the sats on your behalf, and you have to trust them.
  • Ark: You want to receive a low amount? You haven't received anything. The Ark coordinator (a centralized entity) received it with their liquidity and you must similarly trust that they credit you.
It is the exact same trust model. Ark is just re-branding it.
Does it have a unilateral exit? Only at the same point, and with similar on-chain footprint, as opening a real Lightning channel. The chain costs are the same in the end; Ark just defers the cost. The entire premise of Ark scaling is the insinuation that people will defer these costs forever and do trusted receives forever. The entire premise is that the Ark is a roach motel.

Open Networks vs. Centralized Applications

Much of Bitcoin's value, and all of Lightning's value, is in it being an open network with no central point of failure or trust needed to enter.
Ark is a closed network. Ark users in the same silo can have similar trust assumptions, but an Ark user cannot pay another Ark user in a different Ark without using the main chain or Lightning. The costs are then incurred on this exit, with trust added to execute the swap.
This demonstrates further that they are just centralized applications, which is why they're now pivoting to "DeFi" nonsense as their latest narrative. DeFi is a scam word unto itself because there's no actual decentralization. Entry into their closed network is inherently gated by a trusted swap, so the use-case here is user-to-user payments on something like a shitcoin exchange with its own subnetwork of buyers and sellers.
If you pay the on-chain fee to enter to get Lightning-like trust guarantees, you could have just opened a real Lightning channel for the same cost and be part of the open network where future payments are actually trustless.

What About BitVM?

BitVM is just more of the same: interactive, centralized dog shit. It doesn't enable anything without covenants; it uses "bridges" to emulate them. Scammers are funding the astroturf for covenants for a reason: to give shitcoinery like this perceived legitimacy.
The argument is that you can "challenge" any deviation on-chain. But if you're running a service just to keep the centralized entity honest, you may as well have just run the service yourself. All this crap only serves to delegate control to external parties.
The Lightning use-case for it is horse hockey. As above with Ark, does nothing real Lightning can't. Unilateral exit is supply-bound, not throughput-bound. If you can afford the exit, you can afford a real channel. It's the roach motel assumption all over again.

The Fallacy of Vaults

But aren't VAULTs a monetary use of covenants?
No. Just as covenants are a push for centralized remote control, vaults are an attempt to CLAW BACK that control. This leaves 2 mutually exclusive scenarios:
  1. Bitcoin loses its utility as money, as merchants can no longer simply rely on confirmations to conclude a payment is settled (fearing a clawback).
  2. A merchant can ensure funds are not encumbered through certain output types... but if a merchant can, so can an attacker, rendering the vault pointless from the start.
This is the binary outcome. As soon as someone argues against the possibility of it interfering with merchants (scenario 1), they automatically undermine the argument against attacks (scenario 2).

What Do?

Incentives are a bitch; we couldn't stop shitcoins... but we did grind them down over time.
The question is whether we can grind down these fake L2s and covenants scammers; fortunately, Bitcoin being hard to change buys us time.
It's imperative that if you value Bitcoin as hard money and wish to defend it as such, you present the same show of force we showed against shitcoins.
Let every investor and user know, in every comment on every blog or Twitter post, that these applications are not Bitcoin, that Covenants are an attack by the Bithereum Industrial Complex, and that whoever advocates them is either a scammer, a paid shill, or a hipster moron.

This post is a 2nd revision of a comment to address arguments left here: #1272496
What do you think of Liquid?
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It's ultimately a trust-based solution, and Scamson referring to it as an L2 is the first trust violation. I can accept trusted solutions when they're honest and decentralizing, but Liquid has doubled-down on the opposite.
Federation is also a scam word, trustodial is trustodial. We have no idea how many signatories are actually in the federation in terms of how distributed those keys are, every Federation is Schrodinger's node.
The infrastructure still has a single point of trust in Blockstream, rendering any actually federated peg pointless.
It's another example of broken incentives, they generate swap fees and think they're cute by scamming regulator with technobabble to make it sound not like a money business. In so doing, they have to mislead to the unsophisticated user even if most of us know the truth.
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17 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 13h
Liquid is not a L2... is a sidechain.
Liquid was a good intention. It was coming up early in the block size wars as a proposal for exchanges, to have some kind of interoperable network to move funds between them, faster and cheaper than BTC onchain, but still using BTC.
I kinda agree with that use case. A federation that is moving funds privately between them.
But then LN was launched and come in force and Liquid kinda lost the use case. The block size war was also over, segwit in place and onchain mempool liberated, so even the exchanges that were excited about Liquid, they were still preferring to do it over onchain as usual.
LN got more and more grip and Liquid was slowly forgotten and became useless. Now Blockstream, want to push people into using it as it would be a "cheapest and fastest" way instead of LN, because they do not want to see it terminated (as nobody is using it). In the end they put a lot of effort and money to build it. IMHO they should go back to the original idea to be used for private entities and not pushed to large masses of users.
Now all those onchain maxis want to use Liquid instead of preparing in time, with calm new LN channels. That's why this crazy mania with Liquid. But as usual when the onchain fees are going down, Liquid use is going to meaningless until zero.
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I believe Tether was the biggest stakeholder, which since Tether is custodial anyway it's fine for that, keeps that garbage off the chain
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What do people think of Rootstock? Figured I may as well ask here. I read some Whitney Webb article a while ago that there are a lot of nefarious social programs being rolled out on Rootstock in South America, but it seems like a good way not to "pollute" the BTC chain while still being an L2 / bitcoin-adjacent?
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I read some Whitney Webb
First mistake
Rootstock
I actually don't hate it, just seems to be an idea that's failed a few times already, its merge-mined approach isn't new.
I don't think I've ever seen them misrepresent it, being legitimately proof of work through merged-mining makes it automatically better than any fake L2.
Execution just seems to be terrible, I investigated it to see if it could do things fake L2's are claiming to do as far as bootstrapping Lightning wallets, but the swapping/pegging resources are a nightmare. If they could get their shit together on DX i'd give it another look.
Another issue is its a lot more expensive than Liquid, which if people are going to downgrade security to something pegged then they're going to do that because of cost efficacy.
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Thank you for your reply
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I shared a Citrea link because it seemed like cool tech, didn't realize these things were that hated. :|
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lol, that's whats great about SN, it's a thunderdome
Fun fact about Citrea, it's the fake L2 that triggered the Knots/Core war by abusing the chain for arbitrary storage... yet Luke supports covenants, so he's literally inviting the exact thing he FUD's Core over.
God save us from this insane asylum.
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34 sats \ 3 replies \ @nelom 15h
Your knowledge is top tier JS, I was unaware of the bolt12 stuff, until you explained it earlier, I innocently shilled phoenix thinking I was helping but in hindsight I should have recommended shockwallet.
The more you know about lightning, the more you don't know 🤷 look at when Nostr first appeared, the most used custodial lightning wallet, you know, they've gone down the self custody route using you know who, and any new nostriches are blissfully unaware.
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Honestly Phoenix is probably the most turn-key wallet available right now, and they achieve that with centralization and trust.
Problem with phoenix is they went all in on the download and run path that leverages app stores for distribution, but in so doing lost sight of the goal of making Bitcoin (through Lightning) the default money of the internet.
I didn't get into it here but the reason Lightning is so stunted is most builders went down this path of the mobile node fantasy, and the incentives of earning sats off people who just want to tinker with it, not following the "jobs to be done" framework.
You don't run an email server on your phone, you shouldn't run a Lightning node on one either.
Bolt12 is the kind of nonsense that comes from not looking at the big picture. #1275941
Phoenix eventually started to figure this out after my trolling and launched phoenixd for servers last year.
I just recorded a pod today, when he publishes it I'll share, I get in a bit into Nostr's origins from the original ShockWallet that pre-dated it. Everyone that got into Nostr did so from the wrong angle, had they understood it's pre-history as an overlay network for Lightning to enhance self-custodial UX we'd be light years ahead.
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17 sats \ 0 replies \ @nelom 14h
Looking forward to an interesting pod, all the ngu inflooencers are rekt rn 🤣🤣
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not following the "jobs to be done" framework.
Side quest: Do you have any recommended reads on that framework, particularly in the context of Lightning?
Trying to preserve some of my sanity by side-stepping the half quadrillion generically scraped, keyword optimized, polished-turd articles my search threw up (almost literally).
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Well clarified. Thanks.
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27 sats \ 0 replies \ @AGORA 18h
Bradcasting signal...
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17 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 18h
Thanks for addressing this problem. All these scammy "new L2s" are popping like mushrooms
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Thanks bookmarked. Will be needed later...
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17 sats \ 0 replies \ @Sandman 19h
Good publication
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Lol
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I did a 10k downzap on this post with Ark.
At this point they do not deserve to be lumped in with Drivechains. It's an experiment that's doing a reasonable job exploring tech. The hate can wait.
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The entire premise of Ark scaling is the insinuation that people will defer these costs forever and do trusted receives forever.
The same as with lightning. In lightning you don't open/close channel every transaction.
I don't get you FUD on ARK. It's a legitimate method of scaling that complements LN very elegantly.
Imagine social graph of users transacting. LN is good for creating highways in this graph - ideally between huge clusters/cliques of users. ARK is good for connecting users in those cliques. LN/Ark are scaling in different dimension and we need both for proper bitcoin scaling.
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Why fake L2, just different. We've spent a ton of efforts in Lightning. I do get why people could be pessimistic. It is not really a FUD but re adjustment of market sentiment.
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Centralized and trusted isn't an L2, effort went into lightning because it's neither of those things.
If the market wants centralization and trust that's fine, but if so that would imply not having to lie about it.
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Some of mentioned projects have better trust assumptions than liquid for example so it is a spectrum.
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