> plenty of people didn't like it.

And do you remember who are those?
- the most important ones are the big blockers
- moneruchos
- those that LN fucked their "business model"
- clueless lazy users

This meme I've made some years ago and still stands

[![vader-power-dark-side.jpg](https://i.postimg.cc/sXmH6BvR/vader-power-dark-side.jpg)](https://postimg.cc/G8Bj9mFM)

DarthCoin

Lightning wallets can very easily introduce trust and centralization with the same exact trade-offs; fake L2s are no different than zero-conf channels, but this isn't sexy and won't raise a bunch of money or generate hype. Actually enhancing UX is tedious, hard work, to which I can attest, and inherently requires scarce creativity, otherwise the challenges would be solved already.

This is a good point and i'll go with it, but I'm not willing to say that we shouldn't investigate other trade offs. Also I'm not willing to say the only possible layer 2 is lightning. It's the best one we have going, but there was a time when it was just an idea and plenty of people didn't like it.

Stacker Saloon

saloon

> Lightning wallets can very easily introduce trust and centralization with the same exact trade-offs; fake L2s are no different than zero-conf channels, but this isn't sexy and won't raise a bunch of money or generate hype. Actually enhancing UX is tedious, hard work, to which I can attest, and inherently requires scarce creativity, otherwise the challenges would be solved already.

This is a good point and i'll go with it, but I'm not willing to say that we shouldn't investigate other trade offs. Also I'm not willing to say the only possible layer 2 is lightning. It's the best one we have going, but there was a time when it was just an idea and plenty of people didn't like it. 