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Where are the Bitcoiners? Where are the Spenders? Where are the Users?

1042 sats \ 25 comments \ @028559d218 6h bitcoin

Argument after argument about how Core is "destroying Bitcoin" and "hates Bitcoin"...

"We need filters"
"No we don't because..." "Filter this you CoreTard" etc etc...

Meanwhile... where the FUCK are the Bitcoin spenders? Where are the shops? Where are the stores? Where are the Bitcoin-based businesses? Where the fuck are the Plebs?

Plebs focus on being the 'little guy' and having 'uncensorable money' 'Bitcoin is the best' etc etc... Well if it's the best WHERE are the people using it?

What is going on here?

Aren't there far more constructive, healthy ways to promote Bitcoin adoption? Nostr, Twitter, Stacker News, the Lightning Network...

Why don't we use these tools productively?

Shouldn't we focus on payments, producing things of value, transacting and actually using Bitcoin? I can send sats instantly, non-custodially, for almost no cost to nearly anyone in the world after I open one Lightning channel...

And so-called "plebs" argue about the need for "filters"... How about actually USING Bitcoin?

That doesn't mean you must be 'pro-filter' or 'pro-spam' (whatever that means)... but it does mean you should USE the network you claim to love so much.

Where is everyone???

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102 sats \ 11 replies \ @denlillaapan 6h

there are none. We abandoned the dream, and went with Saylor's "digital credit/digital energy" BS.

He looks so good and talks so smooth

2 sats \ 2 replies \ @Scoresby 6h

but isn't he kinda ugly?

2 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 5h

You beat me to it

36 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 5h

and the surprisingly high-pitch voice...

17 sats \ 7 replies \ @028559d218 OP 6h

There is no "we". Everyone is an individual. And even IF we decided to make "digital gold"...

We have to eat right? And pay for gas? And pay for clothes? And shelter and so on and so forth...

Meaning there should be TONS of people spending Bitcoin right now. Humans cannot survive without consumption.

54 sats \ 6 replies \ @DarthCoin 5h

because plebs prefer to give their BTC to the pimps (Saylor and Mallers and many others crooks)... aka going back to fiat.

The TLDR definition of a pleb is SLAVE.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @zapsammy 55m

pleb does classically refer to a slave, however...

*pelə-, Proto-Indo-European root meaning "to fill," with derivatives referring to abundance and multitude.

there are always two perspective on the same coin or term or word; as far as i'm concerned, a pleb is a memetic character in memes;

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 47m

Words meaning matter.

No, you are wrong. Saying that you are a pleb, literally means that you are lowering your status to the lowest position ever: the slave.

Plebeians, or lower class “commoners”, are controlled by Roman Common Law to become the debtors. Patricians were the upper class who benefited from the credit of the people by making them both the creditors and the debtors.

Note: the origin of the name “court” is a place to trade debt and bonds; this has been going on for over 2000 years, and has not changed to this day.

Also read about keep your status and actions used to lower your status

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @zapsammy 43m

i don't see what is the big deal if there is no declaration of intent to become a pleb; i am a pleb within my own kingdom, and my boss (my higher Self, the king of my domain) is making me work hard posting on stacker.news;

69 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 41m

You can do and name yourself whatever you want as long as you do it in private. But remember: whatever "declaration" in public, even a post on SN is a public space. A declaration in a public space is a declaration of intent or self-determination and everybody will take notice. Any declaration in public have consequences (or at least you end it with "all rights reserved").

So calling yourself a "pleb" in public, is like screaming out loud that you are a slave.

Learn how to use public and private.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @028559d218 OP 4h

I am gradually coming to the conclusion... That the person here who understands Bitcoin (specifically Bitcoin) the best is @DarthCoin

Heaven help me.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @zapsammy 53m

u can help urself, by studying and training harder; if @Darthcoin is the best stackers got, that's a pathetic situation; really, more stackers shud rise to become enlightenment educators;

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @BlokchainB 2h

We are all on SN using lightning

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 1h

This

115 sats \ 0 replies \ @SevenOfNine 4h

We need a proper map of places and stores that accept Bitcoin. btcmap exists, but is terribly outdated, imo. It's mostly just filled with ATM's and places that don't actually accept Bitcoin.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 5h

I find your nostr thread amusing, because I see more criticism of Core than Knots, which I'm sure just speaks to how silos are already going up around each of us on the new social media thing.

Other people have already chimed in and I basically agree that the main use case just isn't regular commerce yet.

Bitcoin is great internet money and some vendors already take it. It's an amazing store of value, which we all take advantage of. Many of us enjoy how it's improved the online betting and prediction market experience.

It's working its way through the system unevenly, because the degree to which it's an improvement is not uniform.

42 sats \ 1 reply \ @028559d218 OP 5h

which I'm sure just speaks to how silos are already going up around each of us on the new social media thing.

In my opinion what's comically evident... is how Bitcoin functions on economic incentives. Buying, spending, and hodling. Social media is 99% noise and nonsense... and trivially easy to sybil-attack or misrepresent. Bots are created in-mass... and there's no real solution to this unless people pay ie pay-2-post.

Which is funny because 'people' argue over the nuance of op_return... but will they really pay to outbid the spammers or keep them from spamming? No... which I think is more telling.

I look at pay-2-post on Stacker News the exact same way I look at hash-cash and Bitcoin mining itself. Pay-to-use, pay-to-store and pay-to-interact... some kind of economic, uncheatable consequence for action.

Other people have already chimed in and I basically agree that the main use case just isn't regular commerce yet.

It's not so much that there isn't 'regular commerce'... isn't the meaningless, useless arguing over 'what Bitcoin is for'. Bitcoin's use case isn't decided by people arguing about it, it's people going out and using it that way.

It's working its way through the system unevenly, because the degree to which it's an improvement is not uniform.

I agree. I just wish there wasn't so much stigma and... frankly ignorance associated with it. I have never see or heard of Lightning mentioned by a mainstream financial institution, except for maybe Block which is basically Bitcoin financial services.

Too much stigma to really discuss with other people which is a shame.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 4h

Bitcoin's use case isn't decided by people arguing about it, it's people going out and using it that way.

Same page

Too much stigma to really discuss with other people which is a shame.

Yep. I was listening to a relative complain about all the frictions in her business' billing process and, of course, I was thinking "Bitcoin fixes this", but I knew she would tune it out.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby 5h

Maybe a person uses bitcoin because it's the only way they can post on SN or maybe a person uses it because it's how they save without being inflated away or maybe because it's the only way they can do online betting. But people aren't going to use bitcoin unless it's the easiest (or only) way to do what they want.

It feels like currently it is still easier to use the other monetary tools out there to do what people want to do (it is also true that most people don't understand what bitcoin allows you to do or how limited the other financial tools actually are -- familiarity is comfortable).

Doubtless, it would be better if we all put our efforts into buying and selling things with bitcoin. And the best we can do there is to each make something cool and demand sats in trade for it.

For instance, the only way you can get the SN zines is with bitcoin (well, okay, you can also download them for free, but if you want a genuine hand-stapled version, you gotta spend some sats!).

112 sats \ 0 replies \ @028559d218 OP 5h

But people aren't going to use bitcoin unless it's the easiest (or only) way to do what they want.

Bitcoin has no parallel in the global financial system. No parallel means 'no alternative'.

People seek out and find value, need to store that value, and need to transfer it to consume. People need to consume.

Therefore eventually people will consume with Bitcoin. They will consume blockspace, and they will consume goods and services, using the 'digital capital' and they will pay, massively IMO, for blockspace.

The lack of that consumption today implies a huge lack of education which is what we need to focus on.

It feels like currently it is still easier to use the other monetary tools out there to do what people want to do

The other 'financial tools' in my opinion do not compare. I cannot send energy-based digital capital, digital property, 'digital cash' to anyone in the world as quickly and cheaply as I can with Bitcoin.

Proof-of-airtoken networks don't count, variable-size blockchains are a waste of time, and blockchains without an easily-verifiable supply aren't trustworthy (imo).

Doubtless, it would be better if we all put our efforts into buying and selling things with bitcoin

We need to educate.

And the best we can do there is to each make something cool and demand sats in trade for it.

We need to promote sats as a medium of exchange, even if just for the occasional hat or t-shirt.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Car 1h

this is all really hilarious pleblab x yopaki x whitepaper house just onboarded merida and helped launch a bitcoin hub that didn't exist other wise in the yucatan, it literally took more people than you would think to make it happen, now hotels and places accept bitcoin lightning

i would argue the plebs are working tirelessly to bring it to real life, its just no one cares, and no one talks about it outside our bitcoin ecosystem, trust me i know, been doing it for 4 1/2 years at pleblab and in austin, this stuff takes time, if you don't like the speed of it all, some help onboarding would be appreciated:)

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Longtermwizard 3h

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nelom 3h

I was listening to Gigi's pod No Solutions earlier and he's in Madeira Portugal and they've got over 300 merchants accepting Bitcoin/Ln