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I should have said "He was one of the few who was extremely reliably very favorable to pro-Israel policy AND HAD A HUGE MOSTLY YOUNG FOLLOWING".
That's the main difference. The older conservative crowd is still reliably pro-Israel. The young conservative crowd is starting to not be anywhere near as pro-Israel anymore. If Charlie Kirk - formerly VERY pro Israel, was starting to criticize Israel, that's a big deal, and a big problem for Israel.
Regarding your statement "In his latest interviews right before his death he was adamant that he stood with Israel in their battle and that he wanted them to win against the terrorists"
... I invite people to directly look at the articles and videos I mentioned.
Also here's a link to a previous video I posted that is very relevant:
17 minute interview with Charlie Kirk from about a month ago. Look at his face.
Not only I directly saw the sources you point at but I also saw exactly the video you just posted, in which what I said is repeatedly confirmed, with insistence from both Kirk and Kelly, and with great emphasis every time. Israel killing Kirk for his pro stance not only on their right to defend themselves but, in his own words, for the importance for them to win, simply, do not adds up.
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You're lying by omission here.
Here's the video in question (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2qn0mvSCig)
He does talk about his life being changed in Israel, he wants Israel to win, etc.
HOWEVER the critical component of the whole thing is that in the past few months, the Israel lobby started to viciously criticize him about having Tucker Carlson at his event, and also moderating a debate between Josh Hammer (pro Zionist) and Dave Smith (anti Zionist).
He seems pretty rattled by these accusations. And sources have said he was afraid of assassination by Mossad.
Here's some quotes from the transcript:
But then all of a sudden, I host a person, I moderate the debate mind you, and I give equal time to Josh Hammer, equal time to a pro-Israel advocate, and my moral character is being put into question. And so I just think it's a hyper-paranoid, 'we're just going to try to, we're going to just stamp out everything' type of practice. But it goes to the point where, for example, I have less ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government without backlash than actual Israelis do. And that's really, really weird, isn't it, Megan?
And it's offensive. It's offensive to those of us who have been out there defending them in many instances against critics on our own side. And now you have a couple of comments like, 'Well, what about this? Well, has it gone on too long? Like, is it time to wrap it up?' And the thing about Epstein is just so bizarre. I don't know who he was an agent for. It might have been Israel or an asset, or it might have been nobody. But we're allowed to speculate about that. It's like there's some 'you can't go there' when it comes to Israel.
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I saw that video, and I saw the part corresponding to your excerpt. I'm not the one omitting anything here. You are. The only part of your argument that could be meaningful is "sources have said he was afraid of assassination by Mossad". Yet, conveniently, right there, "sources" are omitted. While all actual, existing sources simply talk about his (understandable) discontent, yet, again, underpin his unwavered support for Israel in the war, making it senseless for israel to having him eliminated while leaving alive and well a guy like Tucker Carlson, who has a much more blunt stance on Israel. Again, it all makes no sense at all.
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