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What we "see" in DC is WWE style entertainment, that's a fact sure. Much of it is art of the deal, float something bad to make something less bad acceptable. Outrage about the current thing enables this, only a select few have the full picture and that's by design.
There is no one DC elite and there never was, that's the point of all this, we're watching a civil... or not so civil war... foreign powers are infiltrated because a relatively free society has to let them in to live up to it's own values. These factions are not parties either.
No one wants to hurt the tech companies, but they want leverage over them for their own factional purposes, and yes there is an altruistic faction... and it's probably warranted to be cynical and say its a very minority faction, but even so, smaller factions can align with the lesser evil of other factions.
I don't think the internet can get any more monitored, Facebook itself is a DARPA project and the NSA literally exists to gather signals intelligence.
It's also naive to think they want censorship, they want the opposite, people to feeling comfortable posting their idiotic thoughts and build a dossier on themselves is extremely valuable. This Kirk thing feels like an Operation Canary.
We can bitch about how much dumber than society is than us, but that's the reality and has been for all of time, there will always be a few that can shape the behaviors of the many without the many having any idea that everything they believe has been groomed into them.
What we "see" in DC is WWE style entertainment
One reason Trump has been able to dominate. He's a WWE star!
I often piss off my progressive friends when I sum up the whole thing as a struggle for power more than ideological purity. Very few people are trying to figure out a workable solution that would work for a divided culture and until that happens we will have deep divisions at best and violence at worst.
You can't have a massive centralized power structure with 3-5 distinct cultures with fundamental disagreements and expect anything else. Voting doesn't fix this. It can be a reflection but its only the last step.
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a struggle for power more than ideological purity
I think there's more overlap than we've seen in our lifetimes which makes it hard to believe. That's the nature of the crisis stage (of the fourth turning), it's a decision point because the options are few, and the factions naturally demarcate along ideological lines.
After the crisis we'll go back to business as usual, good times for awhile that yield to narcisssim, then an unraveling, then another crisis in about 80 years. The cycle is as inevitable as the expansion and contraction of the universe or the change of seasons.
Also why anarchists are delusional narcissists. The state is emergent. (and I say that as an ideological ancap that's simply accepted the world for what it is)
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Watch this tonight btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCxHwyj6Hw0
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ideological ancap
Yeah, I feel that. We can't live in fairy land. Much of this stuff is just a distraction from problems in our own lives and communities that we can affect. There is massive value in understanding how the world works if for no other reason than what to ignore and what to focus on. Most of the news is just noise. Checking the weather is kinda how I view it. In that I mean looking at the clouds, not literally believing what is said.
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I have had the feeling for decades now that there are forces in this world trying to keep men passive and ineffective in their families, and communities. Big man-children that are simply existing to entertain themselves. Not taking responsibility or opening their eyes to the signs of the times.
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You can't have a massive centralized power structure with 3-5 distinct cultures with fundamental disagreements and expect anything else. Voting doesn't fix this. It can be a reflection but its only the last step.
I think whenever anyone brings up civil war / national divorce, that would be a good time to find common ground on dismantling federal power.
The vitriol is so elevated precisely because one institution, the federal government, has too much power over all of our lives.
How about instead of a violent breakup, we return to what the founders intended, and have a minimally intrusive government?
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Yeah, my wife was literally saying this the other day.
I really think we are already in civil war, we just haven't accepted it. The US war between the states wasn't a typical civil war. What we are seeing now is more typical. Not sure when historians will peg the start but it might be this year.
Many of us have been talking about this for years and considered stupid for it but peaceful choices to not associate with others is better than killing each other. Trying to force people into one culture is a fools errand and that should be obvious.
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It's WW3, foreign powers just happen to align with some domestic factions. There's always a shadow government.
It's also why notions that we can do without the state are delusional, as I said, the state is emergent. Power vacuums naturally get filled.
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In your view what are the sides in this conflict?
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There's more columns than can be named, individual foreign powers, industries, trusts, idealogues, each acting out of self interest
At these crisis points though, we where options are few, I think they demarcate into positive sum and negative sum ideology... Good and evil.
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I would've named globalists vs nationalists as one split, but I'm not sure if that's the kind of dichotomy you had in mind.
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I think those are the meta factions domestically, but it's a World War in which each nation is a battlefield.
Globalists are negative sum, so act to consolidate the scraps.
Nationalists are positive sum seeking to rebuild and return their nation to a better time.
No lies detected
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