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Is all alphabetic writing digital?
102 sats \ 5 replies \ @ek 26 Aug
what do you mean by that?
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Alphabetic letters are a way of turning speech (which is a kind of fuzzy set of modulating audio waves) into a set of discrete digits. This was a surprising thought to me because "digital" feels like such a modern invention.
And really, alphabets aren't just digitizing speech, they're digitizing language, and since language plays such a big role in how we think these days, alphabetic letters become a way of digitizing meaning.
But humans may not have digital minds in the way that a computer does -- if what a computer is can be said to be a mind.
Another interesting place to take this is that non-alphabetic languages (like Chinese) might be better suited to human thinking? (this is now me wading way out into pure speculation without really thinking any of it through). Also, apparently numbers are considered ideograms.
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123 sats \ 0 replies \ @nullama 17h
This made me think of oral languages.
These languages don't have a written form, so they might pose a challenge to AI. In theory a system could be trained to pick up the audio cues, but maybe it would miss the subtleties of the speaker.
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142 sats \ 2 replies \ @adlai 26 Aug
I think the word that more accurately conveys what you probably mean when you write "digitizing", is "discretizing". The example of tonal languages is great, because musical signals are definitely decomposable (both by wetware brains and by electric circuitry) into discrete syntactic elements, regardless of any digitisation of the signal.
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But can I say that alphabetic writing is discrete while ideographic writing is not? I wanted to get at the distinction that alphabets take our language and turn it into a series of digits.
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162 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 26 Aug
I suspect that if you follow this distinction out all the way, you'll find that ideographic writing is also a collection of symbols that can be considered digits, although the base is much higher... while English might have an effective base around thirty (if you allow for some punctuation), Kanji has an accepted common base of a few thousand and if you held some professor's feet to the proverbial fire, you could probably establish some mathematical bound for this base.
Check out syllabaries. Some writing systems are really quite close to an extremely compressed trace of the analog signal, while still being a linear sequence of symbols.
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probably everything is digital. We know energy is digital. Probably time and space are as well.
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132 sats \ 0 replies \ @nullama 17h
I think that even though reality might be "continuous", to use it as an information system then we would need to measure it, and that would collapse the wave-function, effectively making it "discrete".
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102 sats \ 2 replies \ @adlai 26 Aug
Statistically speaking, most photons that are just photing through space are getting redshifted; and I don't think that is quantized.... or if it is, then the resolution is much finer than anything familiar from atomic spectra.
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444 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby 26 Aug
photing is a word that I'm going to start using. also, a brief google search says you get credit for coining it.
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142 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 26 Aug
It's much easier to coin words if you set aside semantic propriety and just shuffle around the syntactic elements. Any actual physicists would probably be horrified by this most improper of personifications; photons can't possibly be agents, performing some action! They don't even experience time, as once you actually quantize some photon away from the arbitrary noise of the electromagnetic field, the photon's entire trajectory is all one spacetime interval.
Semantic propriety can be fun, although it takes an effort: the photing is photed by the fabric of spacetime itself, and individual photons are illusory, a notational convenience for drawing signals out of the noise.
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1 sat \ 4 replies \ @ek 26 Aug
quantum would like to have a word with your 1s and 0s
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what if probabilities are digital
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30 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 26 Aug
will you find the door?
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What does this mean?
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30 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 26 Aug
just a funnier way to say "there's the door"
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Maybe speech/thought isn't?
Words are so mushy and hard to pin down. Strings of them aren't much better.
Also what about languages that use ideograms?
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