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75 sats \ 3 replies \ @optimism OP 10h \ parent \ on: Is Chain-of-Thought Reasoning of LLMs a Mirage? AI
Yes, I was testing qwen3-coder the other day and it is only a little less efficient than claude 3.7, but claude 4 is actually quite good.
This morning I tested gpt-oss-120b which turned out awful at tool calls and almost completely non-comprehending when it came to deciding simple things like that you can get the source of a file using the tools. This surprised me but it got annoying to the point where I had to stop using it because it was just running into error loops. So yeah that's a D- for OpenAI's "open source" model - they probably just nerfed it for the specific purpose of complaints like mine, so that they can continue sucking your moneys.
However, instead of giving Scam Altman my hard earned money - he defo does not deserve it - I'm going to test the mouthful of qwen3-235b-a22b-0725.
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111 sats \ 2 replies \ @freetx 10h
I found gpt-oss-20b better than 120b...especially considering the speed difference when trying to run on local hardware. Not sure what they did to 120b, but I didn't get really good results from it.
20b was ok, I even really thought the ansible task I gave it came out quite well. However the "thinking" phase seemed excessive for the final output.
qwen3-235b-a22b-0725
Heard good things about that on the tubes....I'd be interesting to hear what your findings are....I may try to download today and test as well.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism OP 9h
re: qwen3. It just did the endless "reasoning" loop:
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22 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism OP 10h
Not sure what they did to 120b, but I didn't get really good results from it.
I think that it's an attention-span issue, where, if larger context is provided, for example after inspecting a file or even listing a dir, it "forgets" about the tools which are (often) provided at the end of the system prompt. It did do a couple of diffs successfully, but as context window grew it just messed up more and more, even when i soft-capped it at 16k. So yeah... that one needs work.
I'll check out their 20b off some provider later because I'm getting a bit tired from the massive downloads to my cloud inference node only to find out something sucks. Probably cheaper to spend 2k sats on paid api.
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