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7 sats \ 4 replies \ @LivingOnBitcoin OP 6h \ parent \ on: Living On Bitcoin bitcoin
I acknowledge the obstacles and have an appreciation of conversation. Please don't take this as me dismissing you as FUD. Like I've said in other replys, I know I may not change your opinion, and vice versa, mine won't change. However, what would need to happen for you to feel more optimistic?
If people like you who honestly want greater BTC MoE adoption acknowledged the very real obstacles that have been put in the way of MoE adoption.
So often Bitcoiners naturally want adoption but ignore the cleverness and sly nature of it being broadly designated as a speculative asset which requires anyone holding it to record every transaction, the BTC/fiat price at the time of the transaction and then calculate the sum of tax due upon each and every transaction where BTC is spent. Such a massive burden does not fall upon anyone using fiat money, but it does upon anyone in the roughly 30% of the worlds population where Bitcoin MoE use is even nominally lawful.
BTW I hope as you do that MoE adoption can happen, I am just a lot less sure it will- because most people have no idea of what is at stake and those who may be aware do not want to acknowledge the power and determination of the banks and governments who want to prevent it...and their near complete success so far in preventing it.
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I see the obstacles, which makes me feel the burdens of tax and regulatory issues. Trust me, I know the power of the big man. Its not a joke.
If tax laws were simplified (say, small payments under a certain threshold were exempt), would that meaningfully change your outlook? Or do you think it runs deeper than just taxes?
I enjoy the journey, if it means I have to log each transaction, so be it. I understand that I am very different than the rest of the world. Using fiat is easy and 99% of the world likes to take the easy route.
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Yes if tax requirements were removed from small payments that would be a huge thing.
Hard to see how it will happen thoughif mostly even the BTC community does not acknowledge the need for change.
On a more positive note I have heard in some places (I think Germany and maybe Portugal) if you have held BTC for a year or more then it is subsequently not liable to CGT...so can be used for small (or large) purchases free of capital gains tax reporting obligations- although I am not sure of the accuracy/detail around this.
Only a very small minority of people are going to be prepared to log every payment transaction (I am not and so adopt civil disobedience in the face of a law I see as inherently unjust) and so mass adoption is prevented as long as these tax requirements remain in place.
So few people can see that this obstruction of BTC MoE has and will continue to prevent most consumers from adopting and therefore prevent most retailers from accepting.
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There you we go, I like where you're going. It is definitely hard to see the good things happening around the world when all we see are the bad. You wouldn't be here and in Bitcoin if you didn't feel a certain way. I see progress and I hope you do too, no matter how big or small. I really enjoyed our conversation, if you ever want to chat feel free to message me on Nostr (npub1gvrj8zlxkum8h5y0eu4f2ud2n8zktjn5y7nzqu6uhqqqek2x29zq7z7tfl). I look forward to seeing you around Stacker and Nostr. Cheers.
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