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OK, here's an observation and hands-on consideration that all Bitcoiners face:

How to Live and Coexist with the Fiat Money System?

Get on zero, skirt the rules, play the speculative attack game, max shitcoin rewards card etc etc.
Lots of different plays.
Bitcoin Rachy on bird app had this observation today: Bitcoin has a higher return than index funds, by such a large margin that even if you're getting tax deductions and matching company contributions to e.g., your 401(k), you should stop contributing and just max your way into BTC.
The calculations are extraordinary, but most of the relative gains come at the end/display for decades (#974746, #974166).
I am not doing this (see my tweet response). For context, I am not in America, but my local mafiosos enforce a similar pension system (though I have less control over individual investments than in a standard 401(k)).
Reasons?
  1. I really, really deeply, profoundly detest taxes. They are vicious, barbaric, uncivilized, and fund absolutely dogshit of humans to do absolute dogshit of things. Every single penny I can wack away from them gives me immense pleasure. So I max the pension contributions and ride that sweet tax discount all day long.
  2. there is some probability that a) bitcoin fails or never becomes what I foresee, b) I'm waay too optimistic about this, either in time or magnitude
  3. which I didn't mention in the tweet: Morgen Rochard made me do it. (one of these on the Bitcoin podcast circuit... no clue which one; doesn't matter, same message: #989819, #617787)
Thing is: It really troubles me psychologically — mentally — when the price drops precipitously. It's the sudden extreme of it, I believe, that's a big deal. I act recklessly and YOLO into dips with rent money or other pools of spare cash that really should not go into bitcoin, but whatevs. And I feel crap about it — for days at a time. @Shugard gives me shit about it; @realBitcoinDog laughs at my weakness.
So, Morgen. In these few podcasts she is urging pretty extreme financial conservatism, at least in YOLO/reckless/bullish Bitcoiner circles. And it's starting to weigh on me a bit. It's sort of convinced me that I should hold less bitcoin than I do... sleep calmly at night etc, etc.
Having also independently consumed a shit-ton of MSTR/Treasury company analysis (#1010082, #1011075, #1014681) in recent weeks (yes, sorry peeps; someone's gotta make sense of this shit!), I believe I'm warming up to them.

It would make some semblance of sense for me to own e.g., STRF and STRK, for muted bitcoin exposure with cash flow.

Economically speaking, it's the same thing as I'm doing now — straight bitcoin, no equity/no gold/minimum bank balances — since I'm still exposed to BTC price via the corporate wrapper of Strategy. But the price movements would be much less extreme, and instead it (=they) would still pay me a bit of additional side-income. That would certainly make those gut-wrenching fall-off-a-cliff moments less painful.
And before ya'lls drench me in "diamond hands," "weakling," "be stronger" blah-blah-blah, most of you have uncorrelated fiat jobs. I don't. I'm deep in this industry, my net worth and my professional engagements are all tied to bitcoin and extremely correlated to bitcoin price.
Counterintuitively, having somewhat less exposure to bitcoin makes good sense.
...but then I hear HODL's voice in my head going YOU'RE NOT STACKING HARD ENOUGH
...when we first got here, we should have gone so much harder...
And that troubles me in a longer-desire-FOMO type way. But it doesn't/wouldn't hurt me, physically, the way that stomaching bitcoin misbehaving (#873594) or pathetic mid-Sunday cliff-drops do.

So yeah, maybe some of the MSTR products are for me.


Confession: I did noooot see this conclusion coming, jeez.
I'm not sure if I totally follow the reasoning, here.
Why not still hold straight bitcoin, but keep enough of a bank balance to cover your cash needs for whatever timeframe puts you at ease?
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Guess that's an option. No yield, locking in loss...?
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You're the one who's uncomfortable with bitcoin's sudden plunges.
This seems like a cleaner way to be in bitcoin without needing to worry about short term cash flow.
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OK, here's something.
MSTR has derivative value off bitcoin -- not always symmetrical or in tandem, but broadly speaking MSTR's value stems from the bitcoin it holds.
STRK (the 8% dividend +convertible instrument) pays me 2% every quarter, while in the limit it is (=becomes) bitcoin. Given that Strategy mNAV doesn't blow out (to 2-3-4x), it'd only be a matter of time until whatever sum I hold in STRK turn into MSTR (...which, remember, is bitcoin)... but I'm paid every quarter for doing this.
Maybe there's some major flaw in this reasoning but it does seem to dampen my swings while not returning to tradfi/banks and staying mostly bitcoin.
Makes sense?
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Makes sense?
No, but I'm confused whenever the No Arbitrage Condition is seemingly being violated.
If you think you understand it, then it's what you should do.
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Def not — nobody overcomes arbitrage and lives to tell the tale! — and not what I'm claiming.
I believe what I'm doing is financing Saylor in the mid-term — the one I struggle with — so that he carries the bitcoin risk and I get cash flow. Ie he's insuring me against the displeasure of BTC vol in the short to medium term... And in the long run he pays me back with shares he prints for free that wall street (fingers crossed??) price at par with bitcoin.
I can get shafted if Strategy falls apart, or if mNAV increases such as the shares I get back when converted eventually constitute less bitcoin than right now.
Anyway, I'm just guessing over here. Spitting out ideas
I wonder if it's something about the lock-up, a corporate security/financial instrument that signals savings over potential consumption.
I'll think more about it
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42 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 28 Jun
This.
Sats bought a few years ago are already in a winning position to spend on your week to week needs.
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Even on a bitcoin standard I believe companies will still issue stocks, real estate will still be valuable, etc etc.
So I don't see investing in some trad fi stuff as anti-thetical to bitcoin and I recommend (gasp) holding a diversified portfolio of stuff
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Bearish. SimpleStacker is into shitcoins!
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I confess, if my portfolio allocation were discovered it would be scandalous
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Like you, I'm neck-deep, if not drowning in exposure.
One of my clients called the other day and asked what to do with my shitfiat payment because the deal was cash but I'm not close to them atm. They proposed to just put it in some stonks while I'm not-close. I said "whatevs BUT", do not put it in saylor scams.
So I'm not sure why you're pitching saylor scams. But if I can give you any recommendation from the bottom of my heart: don't buy into a stonks printing scam to diversify your position away from your sats. Even if you gain money, you're still the fucking parasite if you do. Just find something else. Anything else. It doesn't matter. Lose it all. Don't be a parasite, plz.
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Hahaha parasite!
Mag 7 it is, then.
Also, I'm deeeef not pitching anything. If that's the impression, then you misread me
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No I made a wrong choice of words, it should have said considering. I shouldn't reply when I'm exhausted, my bad.
Either way, for over a decade now, I'm still paying into almost all my fiat insurance, including pension/life insurance. It's been tempting to stop doing that because besides that it obviously underperforms, feels like an unnecessary cost and has been a painful wealth decrease for me during bear markets, I've been living with the assumption of threat that one day I wake up rugged and it's all inflated into oblivion. I've decided that the 90%+ "haircut" they'd give me for termination on top of the lost value is just too much now and I'm just going to sing it out for a decade. Hopefully my cognitive skills don't decline fast; that's the real gamble.
For the time being, while my personal accounts receivable still has some minor non-bitcoin components, I at least have some relief for a short time if the credit-driven bubble bursts now. On one hand I feel that the saylor bubble is only just starting, on the other, bitcoin reacts hypersensitive to bad shit. If a shitcoiner like SBF could crash it inverse 3x, saylor can crash it what... inverse 30x?
Land is probably the only asset that I'd consider right now for wealth preservation - even though that seems inflated a bit too in most places at the moment.
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Thanks for telling us! :)
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That's ok. Segregated account allows to be open about such things.
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Something that may not be accounted for in your calculations here is the absolute failure of governments to do what they say they will do on any lengthy time horizon.
Whatever tax-advantaged account you are currently using, how confident are you that the rules won't be changed?
I fully expect tax advantaged retirement structures to be a taxation target in the next 30 years as gov'ts continue to fail to raise the money to match what they spend.
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yeah, that's the major tail risk. And I'm fairly confident that if/when shit hits the fan, my mafiosos will just tax or outright steal the sums currently custodied with a fund. (see Australia, already trying to tax out large Superannuation accounts.)
I wonder if that risk is rivalled/mitigated by other fiat ways of holding assets -- i.e., property or stocks or bank accounts?
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Maybe private equity/credit? Seems like it would be harder for the gov't to seize. If you have loaned someone money or contributed funds to their private enterprise, the relationship can be more straightforward. No central broker custodying everything. But I suppose that comes with other risks. And they can tax such investments any way they like. But then bitcoin doesn't fix taxation, either.
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I am one step removed in that it's not a government pension scheme, but (ostensibly) private, and consisting of real assets rather than fake claims on future gov payouts. I have that going for me
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You don't need to hold less Bitcoin. You just need to not spend your rent on Bitcoin. Don't fomo or chase. Be boring. Daily DCA whatever you can and lets you sleep at night.
Regardless how much you buy, you are still likely going to regret you didn't buy more so try not to sweat it and just buy what lets you sleep at night.
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That's a good point... The regret and fomo is a pool of infinite size; no matter the stack we assemble, no matter how much we sac, we'll beat ourselves up over not stacking more.
I guess that's the true insight of that Hodl segment
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Keep staking sats!
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1- If you are investing in Bitcoin with the primary intent and hope of maximising fiat denominated speculative gains, you are fundamentally misguided and missing the entire fucking point of bitcoin.
2- If you truly resent taxes so much you should go live somewhere where there are no taxes or government and see how you like it- I confidently predict you will be a shivering, quivering, jibbering wreck within a very short time begging for the safety, security and economic framework that government and taxes provide you where you live now.
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