I don't see anything retarded with this follow-up, except from the obvious answer which is that onion messages themselves are retarded. The ending of his post hand-waves that permissionless innovation will solve the "last 20%" and fact it sucks. 

Poast. 

justin_shocknet

If I wasn't sure I'm an idiot I'd post this on delving:

If I require a channel with you to send onion messages to/through you, I have something to lose should I do it too much. afaict There's a weak but non-zero sybil resistance to onion messaging as is.

What mechanisms for sybil resistance will this overlay have? It'd be easy enough to require presence on the channel graph, but if I don't have a channel with you, how will you punish me? Personal banlist/reputations? A gossiped banlist/reputation? PoW? Payments? Some combination?

lightning

Reimagining Onion Messages as an Overlay Layer

k00b

If I wasn't sure I'm an idiot I'd post this on delving:

> If I require a channel with you to send onion messages to/through you, I have something to lose should I do it too much. afaict There's a weak but non-zero sybil resistance to onion messaging as is.
>
> What mechanisms for sybil resistance will this overlay have? It'd be easy enough to require presence on the channel graph, but if I don't have a channel with you, how will you punish me? Personal banlist/reputations? A gossiped banlist/reputation? PoW? Payments? Some combination?