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43 sats \ 14 replies \ @SimpleStacker 26 Jun \ on: Do Americans feel proud of Trump's recent military actions? Politics_And_Law
No, not proud. Unilaterally bombing another country without provocation is not something to be proud of.
At the same time, I don't think Iran holds any kind of moral high ground. They've been a bad actor in the region for decades.
I say it often, but just because you’re the victim doesn’t mean you’re a good guy.
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Certainly.
The funny thing about war, and my reason for taking this poll, is how quickly it seems to cause intelligent people to unthinkingly throw their weight behind "bad guys" they once hated because there are other "badder guys."
It's never black and white, and usually, as I believe is the case here, the only real victims are the common people.
unthinkingly throw their weight behind "bad guys"
edit: so far this doesn't seem to be happening among stackers, at least not according to the poll
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No, I've only seen two or three cheering it on.
There may be more who think it was smart or necessary or something like that, but who still would have preferred Iran not get bombed (i.e. necessary evil).
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Iran have willingly entered into agreements over the last decades where they agreed not to enrich past what is needed for industrial use. I guess the argument is to MIGA by jettisoning the US from their deal so they can..... 'obliterate' their nuclear program?
art of the deal, right?
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That's true, but misleading.
They signed a deal with the US and Europe that capped enrichment somewhere under 4%, but the US withdrew from that deal and it had a clause about what happens if the US withdraws that then allowed enrichment up to 60%.
That was supposed to be the incentive for the US to stay in the deal, but instead the US withdrew from the deal and then bombed Iran for abiding by the conditions that had been agreed to. It's extremely shameless.
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I don't see how anyone can see the US as a trusted partner in anything. We're schizophrenic, largely as a result of our domestic politics.
misleading
the intention was to show how ridiculous it is to say it was smart/necessary, especially if the angle is that they shouldn't have nukes (i'm not saying this necessarily.)
before the attacks began a few weeks ago, there wasn't really any justified reason to believe they were trying to weaponize their enriched uranium given the strict oversight they've been allowing from the IAEA. also given the deterrent of other non-treaty countries and their allies that are within striking distance. maybe that's naive, but its the official narrative.
if you've seen any of their rhetoric since trump brokered 'peace,' I'd say now they are much, much more likely to pursue this.
if the goal was really to MIGA, then great work, Trump!
bad actor in the region for decades.
You're talking about Iran?
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yup!
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Interesting! I'm not a historian of the m.e. but they're not the first country that comes to mind when talking about bad actors "in the region"
I don't think any state can take a moral high ground.
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Me neither.
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