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How do you post a podcast from somewhere other than YouTube, X or Facebook? I tried to do it using the imbed function from the site but it didn’t work. It is an audio podcast. @k00b @ek
You have an audio file, you mean? It might work by uploading it like a video. If it’s on fountain or Wavlake or Spotify it should embed.
I have something from Spreaker it is in embed type, I think. I tried it but it didn't show the podcast, only the imbed link.
We only support a few embeds: youtube, nostr, twitter, spotify, fountain, and wavlake ... oh and rumble if it's the embed link.
That is a really good reason for this one not working! I'll see if I can find it elsewhere that is supported.
@k00b Shout out to say I love using SN and wanted to see if you might be keen to catchup on The Transformation of Value sometime please?
Yeah hit me up via email k00b@stacker.news
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I've been watching what some pro-Israel media are saying, and it's wild that some are claiming that Israel is finally secure because the last remaining existential threat has been wiped out. That just seems so crazy to me... if I were Israeli I would feel less secure than ever right now!
But, maybe that's not fair--I'm not Israeli and I can't speak for them.
If the Israelis are so secure, why are they opening the airport tomorrow for evacuation flights?
unfinished portrait of my cat shaping up pretty well! using a large brush so I have to make imprecise decisions
This is adorable.
thank you I love this
well thank you!
If everyone is using AI to summarize long documents so they can understand what was written in them, why aren't people just writing what they mean to say in less words?
Having built AI summary interfaces for clients, I can say this stuff is not as simplistic as people think. And only the most simplistic analysis could conclude that a summary is equivalent to a full treatment.
A document might serve many audiences, some of whom want more or less detail. Sometimes the summary is enough but you want the detail there in case you want to dive in on some aspect or another.
Maybe you want the summary to know if it's worth reading in full.
And summaries are not one-size-fits-all. When I ask AI to summarize something, I ask it to pull out specific things I care about. You might summarize it differently because you care about other things.
A summary is a lens. It distorts. It also magnifies. Lensed views are useful, but they are not the original.
These are great points. Especially describing a summary as a lens. I take it you do not feel summaries compete with the thing they summarize for reader's limited attention?
I have the sensation that many people will ask for a summary of an article and then the article goes into the ever growing heap of tabs to be read. I'm wondering if writers will feel pressure to write in a way that tries to short-cut the summaries (leading with tl;drs or just write massively condensed versions).
I'm no expert on general-purpose AI summaries. I don't use AI for that much. My clients are using it to, e.g., summarize applications so a reviewer can get high-level context. We pull out the info we most care about, which isn't usually duplicative of what the application includes in its intro.
I don't agree that summaries will replace reading the full doc for a lot of people. People already read headlines instead of articles. Now maybe they'll read headline+summary instead of article. That's not terrible.
And writers are already writing tl;dr. Look at Axios. It is popular because it leads with the takeaways. They offer training in how to write like this as a service to corporate customers. If more humans did that, we might need less AI summarizing.
I am so sick of articles that spend a thousand words painting a picture of how the writer came to care about the topic, describing the great-grandparents of the subject of the piece, and musing on the feathers of a bird they saw they day. Get to the point!
I would like a firefox plugin "summarize this page". I haven't installed on yet, but I bet it exists and maybe I should try it.
Filling the papers with useless words or padding the papers out is a trick in academia. Nobody else uses it. Try doing it in a business communication and see what happens.
Either writers are using too many words or the summaries do not convey all the info (okay, perhaps this is the definition of a summary. But still...something doesn't add up)
From #846510:
I think it's perception of value. Same reason book publishers want book >200 pages. The average person measures legitimacy in the laziest way.
Related to this, I've found that with most non-fiction books you can get 90% of the value out of it just by reading the blurb, the introduction, the chapter headings, and a few reviews.
Deeper dive is only really necessary if you want to engage with the book at an academic level (pulling out quotes, making citations, etc)
I suspect you are correct. why do you think people bother with writing all the rest?
More importantly, do you think internet access and AI will eventually reduce all nonfiction to "the blurb, the introduction, chapter headings, and a few reviews"?
At least for serious non-fiction books, I think academic engagement is a big part of it.
If you want to be taken seriously, you need to fill in all the details and cover all the gaps. Otherwise you open yourself up to attacks. So a lot of the "filler", so to speak, is covering all your bases and making sure you address issues from multiple angles to minimize your attack surface.
But in terms of just getting your big picture idea out to a layperson, yeah usually the introductory chapter is enough to make your point.
Meaning you think most writing could be shortened?
Clearly, if I ask chat for a summary of Sofia Petrovna, and treat it as having read the book, I'm missing out. I'm sure nobody does that.
I'm sure much writing can be shortened, but I'm curious if writers will start to feel pressure to write more concisely. Will human writing trend towards the un-summarizable? Maximally condensed writing that doesn't require a summary.
related paragraph from Good Writing by Paul Graham:
I don't agree with this. For me, at least, there's this thing where, after I have written a thing and revised it a good deal, sometimes I can't change it.
Not that I don't want to, but further revision becomes circular and gets me exactly back to where I was. I've changed a passage and changed it and changed it and sat on it for a few weeks and then tried again and ended up with word for word what I started with.
Arbitrary constraints are good and helpful, though.
Does all good writing trend to poetry?
no it has be reinvented all the time - it’s unsustainable but I’m romantic toward it
I've been reading a lot of Roald Dahl books to my kids. He doesn't write poetry (well, he does, but I don't mean his silly diddies and stuff). He is a good writer, but he is writing something different than poetry. Matilda or BFG are amazing cases of clean, concise, maybe perfect prose that is not poetry.
...but I think I may see your point. I can tell you what Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is about in a few phrases. I probably need more words than are in the poem to tell you what "We like March" is about.[1]
Maybe un-summarizable isn't the right word. I want something that gets at this idea that we could defy the AI summary requesters, stymie them and compelled them to read the real thing if they want to get it.
Also, to my shame, I'm not much of a poetry reader. I read almost anything that comes in lines that go all the way across the page. ↩
That’d be a lovely result. Great writing tends to be incompressible, compressing tends to lose important things, ime. That doesn’t mean it’s short. It means that it’s free of waste and full of surprise.
Free of waste is so fuzzy though. I went through a time where I tried to make my writing as concise and condensed as possible. Some of it was good, but I think when I've been given myself more freedom with extra words, I've ended up with better. Were they unnecessary words? I don't know.
But with ai's presence, I think we will see pressure on writers (at least those who want to write to be read) to shorten their work.
Hmmm. Saying that, I realize that it may only apply to internet writing (posts, articles, comments and such), novelists and other long form writing may be exempt because conveying info is not the primary goal. Something like this.
gave me a chuckle
Where's bibi?
Bombs away Donny just lost me.
What kind of godforsaken library stores health as a string datatype?
That string evaluates to falsy. He ded.
Nice catch. One byte was all we needed!
Make War Unaffordable https://v.nostr.build/HOw6GzDlYBrf80fZ.mp4
small heart attack
I know at one point, there were a few Iranians on sn. Have we heard from them? Are you one of them? I’m curious what the news cycle is there right now.
they'd not be terrorized by Israelis on SN. definitely not.
Really? I’ve seen some irrational posts on stacker news on some other random subjects, but not by anybody claiming to be Israeli.
neither have I, that's why I said so
Oh, sorry, I misread your comment. I’m seeing what you meant now.
Hahaha
Religion & Bitcoin are water and oil, you cannot put them together.
"You cannot unite oppression and freedom in the same chain". ⛓️
what if I say, bitcoin unites Christians 💀 and Gods have been using bitcoin since the beginning of mankind
"The first thing I would think about is that you have been drugged with chicken excrement" 🐓
But we are free, so I don't really care what you decide to believe, some choose to live cheated and others question the things that impose them to create in them.
I am glad that at least, you could leave the illusion of money when knowing Bitcoin.
But wake up from the rest of the issues, it is already an issue that is in your hands and impacts or impacts, it is about you and not on me.
I'm sorry that you have a childish view of religion
What would a mature vision be? I'm always open to understand and learn
The sacred rites of Chickenism lol. Sacrifice a Satoshi and cluck 3 times to summon the gods of fiat. I respect your religion but over here, we believe in consensus, not chickens. You’re free to laugh. I’m free to verify. I just meant it as a joke, chill bro :)
🤣🤣🤣This was really fun.
My zaps seem to be failing. I'm assuming that's an issue with CoinOS that'll get resolved one way or the other (or become a big enough problem that I'll escalate).
But in the meantime, I'm confused here. I've got a decent about of sats in my SN account. I've also got a decent amount of Cowboy Credits. Shouldn't SN be reaching to one of those sources if my zaps are failing? @ek @k00b
You can also check your NWC connection in Coinos, it usually expires and you have to renew, I recently happened that I could not do Zaps in Nostr and turned out to be that detail. (I use "coinos" as an attached wallet in SN and Nostr)
I did check that, but it turns out the actual problem was "random thing that just goes away after a few hours."
Ok, it's good to know that you could solve it 💪🤠
currently, you'll need to disable your coinos wallet to use CCs/rewards to zap. if the wallet is enabled, we continue trying to use it to zap.
we don't, currently, distinguish between momentary failures and longer term unavailability of the wallet - we assume they're all momentary, so we retry the wallet again, and once we try to do a noncustodial zap it can only be retried noncustodially.
we're working on improving this along with other related problems.
Bitcoin is finished below 100K
I love the sales... send it to 80k
i request everyone to pardon this guy, he supposedly mad just like bitcoin
I don't understand what you are trying to say.
I am not angry because the price goes down, I love it when it happens. When the price drops it is the only time that our Fiat is stronger and obtains more real value units by the same Fiat Magrane units.
fuck fiat
Forever and forever♾️I lost so much time and sats playing around with bitcoin wallets
But did you make friends?
Always and some enemies as well
at least they can keep you warm because you should keep your friends close and your enemies closer
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yes.
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