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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @028559d218 27 May \ on: Mecha Comet - Modular Linux Handheld Computer powered by Open-Source Software tech
I would love something like this... for a hot wallet/cold wallet signing companion as well as a mini linux computer. Some Bitcoin apps aren't available on android but are available on linux
Thank you again for your write-up. I posted recently here about going to steak n shake #984906
And I thought the experience was incredible using my own lightning...
So what exactly... is retail waiting for? Don't they know the dollar is dying? don't they see that government debt is reaching ludicrous levels? Why on Earth do they want to leave Bitcoin in the custody of some banks that care 0 (zero) about this customers and clients really?
buying developers time to build the tools necessary to have retail come back
If retail is only here to see the 'number go up in dollars' then what tools could developers actually build that people will use?
This is a phenomenal write-up.
It is honestly the best summation, maybe anywhere, of how Bitcoin feels from the inside-out.
So exciting! So revolutionary! Lightning is incredible! But it feels like singing alone and 'coverage' of Bitcoin is price-noise that is puddle-thin relative to what's really going on.
I don't know who you are or what your background is but thank you for your write-up.
As we have already seen, every aspect of peer-to-peer digital cash that makes it an assault on the strength of the nation-state has been attacked, neutered, and infiltrated. Fiat currency is not going to go away quietly, and the general public goes along and will continue to go along with what the government tells them to do because it is safe, and people like to feel safe.
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The moonboy mob goes along with the circus because the number continues to go upwards, and all the while the media implies that the usecase of a medium of exchange is a relic of the clumsy cypherpunk origins. Any hint of the counter culture that is an affront to banking is downplayed and smeared as crimes against anti-money-laundering legislation. In a word, their idealized future of peer-to-peer cash is an alternate form of Venmo—censorable, controllable, compliant.
So when Bitcoin's use is "not compliant" then it's "on its way out"... but when XMR's use is non-compliant... it's getting stronger???
I would continue writing but... I am running out of space and Cowboy Credits. And i think you understand the points I have made and I could go on...
What Saylor and company do to seduce the moonboy is to play up their fantasy, which is a hypothetical world dependent on the scarce asset of Bitcoin, with claims that the moonboy will be seated in the citadel, shielded from the unworthy nocoiners who must grovel at their feet for some spare sats to be thrown in their direction.
What's really sad... is the good, well-intentioned people who HODLed monero for the last 8 years, and since 2017 Monero is the same price.
With less purchasing power due to inflation over the last 8 years. THAT is the sad story that makes XMR people upset. That Monero has nowhere near the adoption and liquidity of Bitcoin... obviously makes some XMR people upset/jealous/confused... hence the "no-adoption" non-sequitur that someone we can't and shouldn't expect "wide adoption" because it "doesn't work that way."
OK sure.
This leads us to what is perhaps the biggest lie peddled by cryptocurrency influencers—global adoption.
So basically... "my crypto" is so great... but it will never have global adoption? What?
For many, this leap of faith is taken for granted. It’s inevitable, surely, that fiat currency will fail, that dollars will become useless, that all trust will be lost, and wheelbarrows of cash will be needed to buy loaves of bread.
I mean... all this stuff is already happening right? Have you seen the bond market this year???
It surely must happen that, one day, people will unanimously embrace cryptocurrency as their source of savings and income.
Stranger things have happened.
That the parasitic elites who have controlled our economies for hundreds of years will concede their political clout for the greater good. That the entire might of all nation-states will crumble under the power of Bitcoin, and they will bend the knee and declare that Satoshi is King, and that we will all hold hands and sing Kumbaya in a new era of peace.
I mean NOT LIKE THAT no... of course not. But I mean stranger things have happened.
I imagine there are readers who find my tone to be elitist, and I don’t disagree. Cryptocurrency as a whole is in need of criticism and introspection, especially from those who are staunch advocates of digital cash. How tiresome it is, watching the community from the sidelines, with so-called journalists and podcasters jockeying for relevance by shilling whatever cryptocurrency scam gives them attention or money.
There is only one cryptocurrency worth your (my) hardearned money and that is Bitcoin.
But don’t confuse pretentious viewpoints with an unwillingness to help! If you happen to be suffering from a bout of moonboyism, yet you still have a shred of dignity, you will gradually become inspired to learn and improve, and along the way the privacy experts will be happy to point you in the right direction.
In other words to adopt an illiquid shitcoin with highly questionable privacy tech? I have actually read the Dread forums and there are serious real concerns about the anon set for XMR transactions. Not 1/16 but more like... 1/4 or even 1/2. If this is true it is a bad joke people would have better privacy with CoinJoins.
There have never been more resources to learn about privacy and how you can protect yourself, and it goes without saying that one of the greatest investments you can make towards your future is in your education of how to fight back against the surveillance state. Take it one step at a time, harden every facet of your opsec, and learn the enemy inside and out. And as time passes, you will stand alongside the other jaded cypherpunks who have become darknet market maximalists, scratching their heads in bewilderment while Saylor makes a fool of himself yet again before his mob of supporters.
Do you really think that Cryptocurrency has to be all things to all people???
The advocates of the store of value use case point to Gresham’s law, arguing that the hardest form of money will be removed from circulation. This would be fine if Bitcoin had characteristics of fungibility (it doesn’t), or if its security model wasn’t based on transaction fees (it is), or if there wasn’t a concerted effort to centralize the software that is used by Bitcoiners.
With regard to 1) I disagree with this or at least it doesn't tell the whole story.
With 2)... so a 'tail emission' like in Monero because the on-chain demand is too low for miners... is the problem? So a tail emission is the answer? and 3) Monero people are really going to tell Bitcoiners that btc software is centralized? Really?
Who even develops for Monero source code? Where is the guthub (with lots of contributers)? Where are the vibrant passionate technical discussions? Who are the developers and what conferences are they speaking at so that we know who they are and what exactly they stand for??? Monero has no leg to stand on IMO when it comes to centralization.
Isn't Monero waiting for a hard-fork sometime in the next year... that will come eventually???
Cryptocurrency is dominated by moonboys, and the pied pier Saylor is a reflection of that. Considering how Saylor hasn’t been tarred and feathered by the Bitcoin community but rather exalted and embraced is all you need to know about the current state of affairs.
Don't you think it's a little more complicated than that?
It’s a wonder why this fraud, with his billions of dollars, never thought to solidify the defense of Samourai Wallet or Tornado Cash with the best legal team money can buy.
Don't you think Saylor bankrolling the support of privacy software... would cause even more distrust of that software among the people who want to use it? Do you really think Saylor can go around talking up the uses and needs to Coinjoins and mixing? Really?
Why isn’t he likewise helping spearhead a lobbying campaign on Capitol Hill for privacy and freedom for those who use cryptocurrency as digital cash? Why does he only ever talk about buying Bitcoin and not being a reasonable individual who can occasionally take profits or use Bitcoin? You know the answer. It’s because he doesn’t care about Bitcoin, or freedom, or any of those things. The Saylor swindle is a game of musical chairs where the only winners playing are the ones lucky enough to get out while they are ahead. We are in the middle of the game now, which of course, is rigged for him to come in first place.
This really boils down to Bitcoin as a currency and I think a legitimate criticism... if there are only 21 million units and everyone wants one... what will they pay for one after all?
Within only several years, Saylor has hijacked Bitcoin to the point where he has become the defacto leader despite his vocal distancing from the libertarian philosophy cryptocurrency was built on.
Saylor knows exactly what the boating accident is. He specifically referred to it in another video and laughed about it (in terms of how the bank can "tax that".) I think (although I could be wrong) that he tries to be careful in what he says.
an interview last year, Saylor declared his belief as to how Bitcoin’s medium of exchange is a dated concept and how Bitcoin custody should be left to the control of centralized exchanges, the same entities known for data collection and fractional reserve lending.
With this I agree... Saylor's comments were extremely poor and correctly called out. I think he misspoke though... I am NOT defending him although anyone can make a mistake.
These shocking statements received several days of pushback on Twitter, with many cryptocurrency influencers crafting carefully worded tweets admonishing this rhetoric.
Yes what he said was wrong. However I personally don't believe he is a villain based on the totality of his comments and his demeanor.
The result? Saylor posted a brief apology statement, and all was forgiven. How sweet it is to be king! The pied piper has enticed the moonboys with dreams of economic prosperity, and idealism be damned because now he has majority rule.
Whether MSTR buys Bitcoin or they don't buy Bitcoin... it doesn't change how you use YOUR Bitcoin or what you do with it. So who cares what the 'stonks' people or Saylor do?
But for the darknet market maximalist, this is but a summary of how rotten things have gotten, a portrait of the desperate fantasy played out in the minds of the moonboys that one day they too will be in Saylor’s position, with thousands of underlings jealous of the success of their big-brained investing.
Every single person, rationally, to include the Monero people and folks on r/Monero wants to have greater purchasing power. This is just Human Nature. Saying otherwise... isn't telling the whole story.
Saylor’s contributions to Bitcoin have been doubling and tripling down on the wretched mentality of “HODL” culture, which espouses that the only use case of Bitcoin is one of buying and holding on for dear life.
So there are no in-person merchants and vendors who accept Bitcoin for goods or services?
This creates an interesting paradox: how can Bitcoin be the future of money if nobody wants to actually use it?
How can something be money... if noone wants to actually save in it?
The moonboy – “The darknet represents a time in the early days of cryptocurrency. We’ve grown past that. Yes, criminals use cryptocurrency on darknet markets, but there is so much more value that cryptocurrency can bring. The association is toxic.” The darknet market maximalist – “The darknet is the oldest and largest peer-to-peer market dependent on cryptocurrency, and observations of cryptocurrency usage in these battle-tested markets reveal what projects are considered the most powerful to study
I think a more nuanced way to think of cryptocurrency (or even Bitcoin) markets is of white, gray, and dark. All of these exist and co-exist... and they all need it other. Hence they all persist.
To the moonboy, the preservation of liberties plays second fiddle to the growth of their investment, so any association with illicit activities is heresy. There is no reason for them to vocalize anything against the state, and when regulations come crashing down they will go in line with what they are told.
This is an oversimplification and is not true.
The darknet market maximalist understands that it is the goal of the state to promote the growth of moonboyism and to censor the dissidents and that playing nice is not worth it.
If the state had wanted to crush Bitcoin they should have done it 10 years ago. They didn't. Now look what happened? Bitcoin is an alternative (widely available for self-custody) as an alternative to government bonds and debt. If people "choose Bitcoin" instead of governments bonds then the State can't borrow and their economic power is reduced... is there any greater power than that?
We have now defined moonboyism as a speculative mob that has distanced itself from the tenets of libertarianism. But how are they controlled? The moonboy, like moths to the flame, seeks out a leader who tells them that their greed is noble, and what better representative of this phenomenon than Michael Saylor, the pied piper of the moonboys?
Don't you think... this is a bit of an oversimplification?
I read the whole thing and I have thoughts -
Somewhere along the way, it’s difficult to say when, the counterculture became subverted. What was once a scary, upending technological discovery has shape-shifted into a sensationalist gambling vehicle. Gadsden flags have been replaced by price charts, and the cypherpunks are drowned out by social media influencers. Many of the old-timers still cling to the belief that the complete erosion of Bitcoin’s aura hasn’t occurred, that the collaboration with traditional finance is actually a good thing...
Anyone can use Bitcoin today any way they want. CoinJoin it, spend it, sell it, use it Non-Kyc... you name it. It's incredibly liquid and for 'real world' adoption by regular people, it has by far the biggest market with regard to things to buy for day-to-day. To live on and use. "Wall Street adoption" does not change that.
that applications for nation-state strategic reserves show maturation and legitimacy, and that escaping the so-called decrepit origins of the Silk Road means Bitcoin can finally become global money.
Yes global money. In a 'global money' system there will be drug dealers and rogue nations (like North Korea) but there will be Moms and Dads and the 'good guys' too who just want to save so that their assets don't get inflated away.
But we all know that is a farce, because what was once branded as a peer-to-peer electronic cash system has now become nothing more than a glorified tech stock.
Anyone can use Bitcoin peer-to-peer today, there are a number of platforms that provide safe and reliable p2p exchange (Robosats, HodlHodl, Bisq etc) and the ETFs do not prevent people from using Bitcoin. In fact... the higher the price of Bitcoin the greater the liquidity in Lightning Channels but I digress...
and that by extension, if we imagine a situation that calls for a private and battletested form of digital currency, it would logically follow what is being adopted in underground drug economies.
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So of the world underground drug economies... what % is actually using 'any' cryptocurrencies?
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Do you think that Bitcoin (or crypto 'in general') is just a digital currency or digital cash? If there are only 21 million Bitcoins for 100 years... what incentive is there to spend Bitcoin if you have melting government-issued cash on hand?
The answer happens to be the individuals that make up these dark net marketplaces, because if cryptocurrency were to magically disappear, the underground internet economy would collapse overnight.
I am still looking for places to spend Monero, where entire cities towns and villages have adopted it for payments and day to day commerce... Bitcoin has some of these places (in Switzerland for example or places in Central, South America). Monero IIUC has none of them.
Uncensorable digital cash has made it so the average Joe can do things that are not approved by governments, and this has tremendous worldwide implications, such as the successful deterrent of things like price discrimination, data mining, or targeted advertising.
Without getting ahead of my skis... if Monero had even a 1% chance of an unidentified inflation bug... could it be trusted, tradable, hedgeable global money for the world? I... don't think so. The easy verifiability of Bitcoin's supply although a tradeoff of transparency... means that when people save in it, big time they know exactly what they are getting. Even a small chance of an inflation bug in Monero (undetected) means that global economies won't trust it and that's a problem.
Despite the complete takeover of every mainstream financial instrument or medium, the state has little control over peer-to-peer cash node networks hosted by passionate volunteers around the world, and this isn’t the result of billions of dollars of investment by nation states, but by the determination of crypto anarchists embedded in open-source communities.
Still looking for places to spend Monero.
I must confide to the dear reader that the term darknet market maximalism is a tongue-in-cheek troll. I am fully aware that the outsider will read the title of this manifesto and immediately jump to the erroneous conclusion that we are all hell-bent on overthrowing the government, that we are all criminals, or perhaps even cyber terrorists.
Governments are still going to be here, with or without Bitcoin. Bitcoin (or any cryptocurrency adopted worldwide) will and has in fact changed the world... however the idea that governments will disappear I don't agree with it is silly.
They already brand us as the bad guys with something to hide, and for that reason we playfully acknowledge this, we lean into it, and we frame the conversation as to why free and open-source software would even have this stigma to begin with.
I mean... there's a lot of FOSS in Bitcoin right?
Because similarly, the explosion of darknet markets in the early 2010s caused an enormous amount of interest in Bitcoin. And so by bringing darknet market usage into focus, we add an edge to cryptocurrency that has been forgotten but is wholly necessary for the long term proliferation of parallel economies that threaten the status quo of fiat currency.
Why not have 'parallel economies' with things that... regular people actually want to use and buy? Like Steak n Shake? When you purchase things on the 'Dark Web' how do you really know who you are talking to?
Before I finish this introduction, I would like to take a second to acknowledge the ones today who do use cryptocurrency, who do promote parallel economies, and who willfully push for adoption.
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The overwhelming majority of cryptocurrency use today has become speculative gambling, and it is only going to get worse unless we push back.
Any market of any size that attracts enough attention and capital... will have its speculative components. There is no way to separate use from speculation and 'the tourists'... that's why running a node and verifying transactions is so important...
The silly paradox is that after rebranding cryptocurrency into a friendly ecosystem that isn’t just for criminals, we’ve lost the world-changing intensity that made peer-to-peer cash so powerful in the first place.
Why? Whole entire economies can use Bitcoin and hedge government debt, borrowing, and risk against it. That way people can save, spend, and exercise their economic power in a way that can't be censored. What's wrong with that?
And because of that, we must turn things back to their roots, and become darknet market maximalists.
And go backwards, and not forwards?
Before we can understand why the darknet market maximalist is enlightened, we must examine the root of all of cryptocurrency’s problems—the moonboy.
Moonboys are 99/100 nearly broke altcoin investors. We ignore them and run nodes. They don't control the network most of they don't even hold keys.
The moonboy is a cypherpunk in name only, advertising their love for Satoshi in vain attempts to appear cultured.
Most moonboys are into alts and memes... not Bitcoin which is "too expensive".
They are fraudulent, arrogant, tribalistic, and gullible.
On this we agree.
They are complacent and believe politicians with photoshops of laser eyes care about them. But here is the worst part of it—because of their insatiable greed, they become overleveraged in hopes of great material gain.
Yes the politicians don't care. But that's OK because we can use Bitcoin anyway. And if the MB are over-leveraged then they get recked.
There are investors, for example, who encourage holding cold storage who are good people and valuable contributors to the community. The moonboy, however, is the vocal majority of cryptocurrency holders today, drawn by the volatile free market, which encourages the potentially “face-melting gains” that could let them become the next Silicon Valley entrepreneur. Even worse, while having this degenerate, gambling attitude, they believe they are acting from a position of virtue due to their endorsement of Satoshi and the now watered-down worldview that the early cypherpunks pushed for.
Still don't see where any of this keeps someone running a node from using Bitcoin.
The moonboy is a hypocrite to their core, co-opting the term Bitcoiner to now mean pro-censorship and pro-state, so long as it guarantees the safety of their returns.
There are a lot of Bitcoiners... on Stacker News no? Are they pro-state?
The moonboy – “We must do everything we can to become a global currency, even if it means endorsing proprietary software, because more people means my bags will be worth more.”
What is this proprietary software the author is referring to?
The darknet market maximalist – “Building parallel economies is the goal. If people aren’t interested in peer-to-peer cryptocurrency, that’s okay, but we should explain the benefits of peer-to-peer cash and lead by example.”
We agree... parallel economies are ultimately the goal.
I believe that one day, perhaps many years from now, the "stacker news" model will be the model of the internet. It is just so superior, so value-embedded, just so "common sense" better than the current "filters" and "incentives of the Internet..."
The whole internet will be like Stacker News. But of course it will take time.
I agree with the article somewhat... but disagree also. Let me explain...
The US is not a 'pure democracy'. It is a constitutional republic. Because in order for the will of the 'sheer majority' to take away the rights of a minority it has to be a 'large majority' with clear process in accordance with the constitution.
A pure democracy is total madness... because 51% could attack any and all parts of the country any time they wanted to. A pure democracy doesn't work... that's why the US is a constitutional Republic something the author doesn't mention.
Being "in power" doesn't mean you get to do anything you want. It doesn't mean that everything is do is "right" because you are "in power" that is autocracy not democracy.
"Classical liberals" recognize this because they believe in a constitution and the separation of powers and 3 branches of government etc...
Mr Trump and MAGA do not.
Beyond what the article says, I think the real cause of the upheaval in the United States is the decline of the American Empire in the face of economic competition from China.
Mr Trump's answer to Chinese competition... is tariffs. And walls. And 'less immigrants' but it's totally incoherent.
Kicking out 'foreign students'. Ending funding for research and development. Browbeating some of the best US companies (Apple) if they don't do what "you" (the leader) wants it's all total incoherent nonsense. It hurts more than it helps US competitiveness. But just enough Americans support Mr Trump he could do anything he wanted as long as...
The courts and the judiciary don't matter. And the US is a 'democracy' where "51%" of the population can vote in anything and anyone they want at any time which is NOT how the United States ACTUALLY works.
That's why people including me make the comparison between today in the US and 1930s Germany. When the German working-class-people were so defeated, so inflated (Deutschmarks) and so dejected... they turned to an Austrian painter to "solve all their problems" and provide the scapegoats.
Mr Trump offers something really similar and it's 98% nonsense but at least people are talking about it.
unfortunately the least 'knowledgeable' about Bitcoin... go to reddit first. Or just post nonsense fiat NGU stuff on there. But it's not the whole picture.
During a long bear market r/Bitcoin is much, much better and people actually focus on their values and what Bitcoin means to them. Way less speculation.
And even then recently there was a significant post (I have to find it) about how and why 'paying taxes' and accounting for spending 5$ on a cheesburger at Steak and Shake isn't right. It's not ethical or practical and most people realize this. Capital gains taxes on fries - really?
In defense of r/Bitcoin... there are many, many spammy posts and the mods there are completely overwhelmed. They have to walk a really fine line between allowing 'everything in' and being swamped with low-value AI spam... and only allowing 'certain' things and in fact censoring. What r/Bitcoin needs (and Bitcoin provides) is a proof-of-work filter that's "pay to post". Which is what SN has and why we are all here...
As far as the "P2P payments protocol is now largely obstructed" recognition yes that is true to some extent... however it's not the whole story?
There was an article in Bloomberg recently -
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-24/crypto-is-infiltrating-the-dollar-s-hegemony-says-ken-rogoff
Ken Rogoff on How Crypto Is Cutting Into the Dollar’s Hegemony
Q: And will crypto’s dominance continue to grow? A: Absolutely. Crypto’s going to continue taking over the global underground economy on transactions. There are people who think that crypto is going to go to the moon, but there plenty of people — Paul Krugman, Nouriel Roubini, Jamie Dimon, Warren Buffett — who said pretty recently that they think crypto is just a scam. In the crypto chapter, I explain why that’s completely wrong. Because if the underground economy is 20% of global GDP that makes it — depending on the value of the dollar — a $20-to-$25 trillion economy. And if you’re providing the means of exchange, that’s a value proposition. Crypto has value. It’s used for transactions. There’s a big piece of the economy, which even if crypto’s heavily regulated, the government is going to have difficulty controlling. So it’s not worthless. There’s a lot at stake there.
Basically 20% of the world economy by GDP that's 'underground' or 'cash only' and "crypto" (mostly Bitcoin obviously) will absorb that over time. Pretty powerful to see in Bloomberg
Bitcoin has performed incredibly well as a SoV/speculative commodity- but my fear is that this is due in large part to a process of capture and control orchestrated by the bankers- they have increasingly commodified our P2P MoE, taken custody of it, frozen a growing portion of issuance from any possible use as a p2p MoE and tracked and traced the vast majority of BTC that is still held in citizens private custody.
if citizens want to use it for moe and use it privately... they can. that is the important thing.
By 'The bond market begs to differ' do you mean Bitcoins exceptional SoV performance has provided an alternative to nation states (eg El Salvador has doubled the USD denominated value of its BTC Treasury) or something else?
yes nation states. but no not El Salvador, the united states. The united states adopting bitcoin as an alternative to the dying dollar (which is dying, slowly of course but it is)
I was hoping El Salvador might start to issue BTC bonds and demonstrate a viable alternative to endless dependence upon the IMFs fiat debt slavery,. but this does not yet seem to have developed.
Bitcoin is only 16 years old. it is not even an adult yet and can barely drive a car
Bitcoin is not used hardly at all as a means of exchange- it is either outright banned, or slyly obstructed to the point of being effectively banned as it is in the 'liberal' western democracies via tax obligations requiring absurd and practically impossible transactions recording and assessment for all BTC MoE use.
Fries go crunch.
For the vast majority of nation states Bitcoin adoption (for MoE) takes away far more from the government than it adds.
The bond market would beg to differ.
I am of course taking a critical and you might say pessimist view, but it does seem to be the trend as the almost complete lack of adoption for MoE anywhere, even in El Salvador suggests people will not choose monetary liberty even when a government allows it and Bitcoin offers that option.
I, personally, would prefer my money to die more slowly (to inflation) than more quickly. That's why I choose Bitcoin. Simple right?
I hope MoE adoption can and will happen, but fear not enough people want to be free. We shall see!
Like I said, fries go crunch! ;) We shall see :)
If the collapse of the USD causes Bitcoin to rise in value will Libertarians be happy?
i don't think the dollar will collapse. just be less valuable
Even if the fall of the dollar results in a very different world where it is most likely China has much more influence and power where trade and finance and international protocols and law are increasingly dominated by China.
china doesn't dominate any of these things today. maybe trade ok... but the rest no. they are catching up for sure but they are not there yet.
Because the Bitcoin ecosystem is not even comparable to the Chinese economy.
it's not comparable to any economy. bitcoin is a relative baby at ~ 16 years old.
The Bitcoin economy is almost exclusively that of a speculative asset- Bitcoin is not in reality a MoE with any depth or broad adoption.
not it's not today. but it could be in the future. i bought fries with lightning and it worked just fine.
All Bitcoin and 'crypto' would be in the event of the collapse of US hegemony, is primarily vehicles for wealth preservation outside of an increasingly Chinese dominated global economy.
i still think bitcoin has a shot to be the global, digital neutral settlement layer. not because it's perfect... but because there really aren't any neutral competitors
my thoughts