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527 sats \ 0 replies \ @vladquant 2 Dec \ on: Hacker News’ favorite search engine is coming to Nostr! w/ Vlad (Founder, Kagi) nostr
Thanks for having me Max, it was a pleasure.
Thanks! Suggesting this on https://kagifeedback.org and getting some upvotes would be the way to go. We have a pretty big roadmap and want to make sure that would benefit as many of our users as possible.
I hope I am not coming as dismissive. If you have a concrete issue you want to raise I suggest using https://kagifeedback.org to bring our attention to it, this is the main way our users raise various issues with us.
What I meant by no 'free' ones, is that there is always currency involved - either your money (eg Kagi) or your data/privacy/attention (eg. most legacy search engines).
understand the incentive structure, but how can I be certain that you're not taking the $10 AND selling my data?
Because the moment something like that leaked, our business would be dead. This is what alignment of incentives means.
This will give you more information on this: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/
I am not an expert on Lightning, but presumably if you use it, it should be possible to link anything to a specific individual?
We are also experimenting with blind tokens
https://kagifeedback.org/d/653-completely-anonymous-searches-unlinked-to-the-account-blind-tokens
I think we are privacy ensuring in a way that we do not associate searches with an account and require minimal personal information (we do not even verify email address). And if you want near anonymity you can pay with Lightning. So our privacy 'attack surface' is really minimal.
Our model is not "trust me bro". We are very transparent about our privacy practices.
There is also lack of incentives. Once you understand that any piece of information we collect is just a liability for us, you will understand why we want as little as possible. We just want your $10/mo, and we want to offer something much more valuable in return.
if you want anonymity with Kagi you can get it too, as we do not need a verified email address and you can pay the fee in Lightning.
One could argue that free search engines are better as they don't have a token associated to every web search.
There are no 'free' search engines. You either pay with your wallet, or with your data/attention. But web scale search is never free, and is actually very expensive to do.
We do not store searches. And we do not require a valid email address. And you can pay with Lightning already. Can you clarify what is the concern?
Please check our privacy policy. https://kagi.com/policy
In short, we do not need or want user data, it is just a liability for us that is not needed for running our business in any way. All we want is $10/mo and that's it.
Main difference is that Kagi is funded completely by users where Brave is (predominately) by advertisers. So everything we do is always user-centric. I welcome that Brave has an ad-free option available, but have yet to meet anyone who pays for it. Brave search is mainly known as ad-supported search engine.
Orion Browser is truly privacy respecting browser. It is zero-telemetry and blocks first party ads by default, unlike Brave.
What paid search competition do you refer to? :)
We plan to outpace others by the strength of the vision and quality of the product.
Education is something I deeply care about. So it would be something about democratizing education and inspiring kids.