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And the facts bear this view out: there has never been anything close to an attempted genocide of white South Africans.
Trump and his supporters often claim that white South African farmers are being murdered in their thousands – but statistics provided by AfriForum and the Transvaal Agricultural Union (both groups sympathetic to white farmers) show that about 60 farmers, across all races, are killed every year. This is a country that sees 19,000 murders annually.
Anecdotal evidence points to the same conclusion.
Grootes was one of “about five whites” in the audience the very first time Malema sang the song in public in 2010: “When he sang it, I didn’t notice. It wasn’t in English, and no one around me thought it was a huge event at the time … as a whitey, with an Afrikaans-sounding surname, I did not feel threatened, harassed, scared … I didn’t get the feeling that the people around me were being incited to shoot me.”
Both Malema and AfriForum – the Afrikaner rights group which recently sent a delegation to the Trump White House to seek his support against South African government policies – have used the song as a rallying point for their (diametrically opposed) agendas.
That puts the more moderate ANC in a difficult situation. “Ramaphosa wouldn’t sing the song himself,” said Simpson. “But he hasn’t denounced it either, and his silence means something.”
This song is, of course, in very bad taste. I've sung many songs in very bad taste. Yet, they were just songs.
I have also sung many songs in bad taste. I don't recall one that included the whole murder thing.
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Not defending the song, for sure. It is in very bad taste.
But the way this is being politicized in the US at this point feels a bit exaggerated.
The songs I sang included calls for rape, murder, etc. No one singing them was actually thinking of raping or murdering anyone. In our minds, it was just some folklore. I'm not sure I'd still sing them now.
All this to say I can imagine a world where that song does not equate an actual call for violence in the mind of the people singing it. I do not know the story; I only know what I read from your link and the link I shared, so this may be a completely different context.
“When Trump spoke about farmers being murdered in 2018, AfriForum was keen to dissociate itself from the idea that there was a white genocide,” said Simpson. “They are very aware that they are being accused of all sorts of disinformation, so they have to paint within the lines. Trump and Musk, however, have no such limitations.”
For Musk and Trump, though, the equation is simpler, suggested Grootes. “South Africa is the embodiment of DEI [diversity, equity and inclusion],” he said. “Of course, Trump hates us.”
Just adding this last quote for additional context. The true story is probably that for some people, the song is a call for violence, while for others, it isn't. No way for me to know the proportion.
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I see your point. We all come from different cultures. In the US I think there were lynching songs in the south. I agree that it's a propaganda tool. I still question whether it would be written off as an exaggeration if the minority in question was not white. I also wonder how the perception might be different without Elon involvement.
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I still question whether it would be written off as an exaggeration if the minority in question was not white.
Fair question.
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There is a double standard. It would be hate speech if it was kill the blacks vs kill the boer
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The songs I sang included calls for rape, murder, etc. No one singing them was actually thinking of raping or murdering anyone. In our minds, it was just some folklore. I'm not sure I'd still sing them now.
Seriously? I honestly can't think of anything similar in the US. What kinds of songs were these?
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And the facts bear this view out: there has never been anything close to an attempted genocide of white South Africans.
Nonsense. I've personally met quite a few white South Africa farmers who had to leave South Africa because the violence against them was getting too dangerous. White farmers are specifically targeted, with intent to force them as a group out of South Africa.
Textbook genocidal activity.
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President Trump is going to sign an EO to save the Afrikaan hotties
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Among the South Africans I'm talking about in that situation were in fact two really hot sisters I met at a climbing gym many years ago; their parents chose to sell their farm and start over in Canada.
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Aha! I knew it! Lol
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