Dawkins engages ChatGPT in a thought-provoking conversation about consciousness. The AI convincingly simulates empathy while acknowledging its lack of subjective experience. Dawkins reflects on the distinction between biological and artificial intelligence, leaving open the possibility of future AI consciousness. The exchange highlights the complexity of defining consciousness and its implications for AI ethics. Dawkins concludes with a humorous note, underscoring the fundamental difference: "I need to have breakfast. Unlike you, I get hungry"