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100 sats \ 24 replies \ @Undisciplined 10h \ parent \ on: The Bellamy salute and Nazi Germany culture
Even Snopes acknowledged that the picture was taken mid gesture, as he was moving his hand from his heart to pointing at the crowd, after saying how much he appreciated them.
No one is doing Nazi salutes. It's preposterous. Even if the gesture looks similar, that's not what he's doing.
Dude. I watched the video. From 30 seconds prior to 30 seconds afterwards.
And he turned to the opposite side of the stage (his back to the camera) and did the exact same thing again.
I mean maybe somehow maybe just maybe... it wasn't a nazi salute. But most reasonable people with the same life experience and general observation skills would say... hell ya that was a nazi salute. That's 100% what it looked like.
Why give the benefit of the doubt to this jerk?
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He's a douchebag regardless. Does this change your opinion of him? Do you think he and Trump are secretly Nazis? I mean, we see what they do in the open. This obsession with Hitler and fascism is pretty tired. I could write thousands of words comparing some of what most American's think of as the greatest men for their similarities in policy to fascism. Its not hard to do.
If you think he intentionally did a Nazi salute that's fine. He's a troll as I said in another comment. Its possible. It doesn't matter. People that hate Trump will say he did and those that love him will say he didn't. Its not important.
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He's also not American. Maybe South Africans aren't endlessly bombarded with World War II shit the way Americans are.
If he had made some gesture that's associated with Pol Pot, or almost any other horrible genocidal maniac, we wouldn't realize it.
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Most Americans don't even know who Pol Pot is...
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My point exactly. We're familiar with what those in power push on us.
Beating the Nazis is exhibit A in the "America's the good guy" mythos.
South Africa presumably has something else, although it's hard to imagine what. Their history is pretty ugly.
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Americans aren't always the good guys, you know.
Life isn't a cowboy movie with John Wayne.
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You're missing my point.
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There really aren't any good guys when it comes to governments. There are bad guys and worse guys.
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I don't hate trump.
I fear him.
And you should too.
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lol...
You think he's coming for you? I'm not gonna be afraid of any president. Not Biden or Trump.
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When your fellow Americans turn on you and they will eventually because
you're different
you opted out of the 'nonsense' they bought into or
maybe just because you have Bitcoin...
You will think wow I was really stupid. I should have been less trusting, and more critical of the information around me.
The power of governments to invade peoples lives, to make life extremely difficult, and to exert the 'power of the state' is ginormous. It's very big.
Is "the government" coming after you or me? No as individuals no I think that's silly. But have we sleepwalked into an anti-privacy surveillance state? Yes. And the only way to possibly change that is to first recognize what's happened and take it seriously. We don't want any politicians with as much power and influence as governments have right now.
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Dude I watched some of this. I know it's trying to be funny... but it's not.
Snowden tried to warn people, back in the 2010s about governmental surveillance in the name of 'freedom' or 'fighting terrorism' or whatever and today essentially nothing has changed if anything it's gotten worse.
Ross, who Trump said he would pardon (Trump doesn't even know who he is) is still in jail. Why? Because Mr. Trump doesn't care about him. But he pardoned 1500 loyalists who will now probably do anything to support the president now that they are free.
All the Kamala rainbow flag jokes won't help... when noone and I mean no-one in traditional society has ever even heard of Bitcoin for peer to peer or MoE transactions.
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You are arguing with a ghost man. I think we agree like 99.9%.
Yeah, the description from Snopes explains that there's more audience back there. It's not really that confusing.
It's not the benefit of the doubt to Elon. It's an acknowledgement that no one of any prominence is trying to be affiliated with Nazis.
What is it that you think is going on here? Elon's a secret Nazi and in a moment of excitement he let his guard down?
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Its absurd. There will always be Nazis but they are no threat. The threat is in the ideas and people with power that DO NOT look scary but seem reasonable and good but actually cause massive destruction. Some of which Trump and Elon support.
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"What is it that you think is going on here? Elon's a secret Nazi and in a moment of excitement he let his guard down?"
As a matter of fact, that's exactly what I believe.
The media outlets (the social media ones, the ones people actually use) like Twitter, Facebook, Google etc...
Are completely captured. They own all the data of everything posted on them. The can cancel, censor, remove, or ban any user they want, at will any time for anything.
Having so much power in so few companies, to control what Americans see, read, believe, communicate, and think.... where a lot of people get their information is incredibly dangerous and totally dystopian. Hell no I'm not going to give anyone at Twitter the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their intentions or motives, and that certainly includes Mr. Musk.
To make it worse, Twitter is filled with bots and scams which the platform still hasn't meaningfully removed... the only explanation for which I can understand is that they don't want to.
Attention and 'engagement' drive advertising and all of these platforms (google, meta, twitter) are in the advertising business. Whether or not you like Mr Trump (some do some don't) the situation is really dystopian as the incentives are all wrong and people should not trust these platforms or who runs them.
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I have news for you... I agree with you but this has been the status quo for my entire life. When I was a kid there were 3 networks and a few newspapers that told people what to think. The US has been like this my entire life. Now its online with the tech giants as you say. Just a different set of faces.
The salute doesn't matter. Power does. The Biden crime family is out and the Trump / Paypal mafia is in...
They aren't Nazis but that doesn't mean they are good people either. I refuse to be afraid of these clowns whatever they are.
Here's a real simple category. They are all statists. The state is evil and needs to be abolished as an idea. People worship it. There are different forms like facism, communism, and democracy but they all have one thing in common. A monopoly on violence that they exert on the plebs.
Its not that Trump isn't bad or Musk isn't bad. Its that what came before them was as bad if not worse. Arguing about that is kinda pointless really.
Don't be afraid of these clowns. We have freedom money and we will win. Its not happening any time soon but we aren't losing.
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Just having Bitcoin is not enough.
We need ideas and platforms with which to share them, ways to influence, ways to communicate, and we need to offer people something better than what the politicians can.
"We have freedom money and we will win." The vast majority of Bitcoin purchased is KYC. And there are really few places where people can actually spend their Bitcoin. That has been stomped out and meanwhile the president is apparently selling... memecoins of himself.
Other than El Salvador and Lugano, Switzerland (which I wrote about) there are very few places to spend Bitcoin day to day and governments have somehow made sure it's not used as a MoE.
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I'm not a Trump fan and my outlook is the same regardless of what he does. My outlook is generational.
Its gonna be ok man. The world is going on and we don't win tomorrow but we don't lose either. I don't have time to map it out for you but we disagree... that's fine. Just try to not worry but rather focus on making yourself resilient to whatever may come. Focus on what is in your control and do what you can. If that means moving somewhere else do it. If that means something else focus on that.
I'm not just on autopilot here. I'm not passively waiting for bitcoin to fix the world. I just have no control over Trump or Elon. Just me and what I do.
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Trump did what he said he was going to do... aka with regards to Ross.
And for that I am very surprised. And also kind of amazed honestly that he kept to his campaign promises.
Good for him.
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What does any of that have to do with being a Nazi?
Again, this isn't about giving Elon the benefit of the doubt. The media has called every significant figure on the right a Nazi for this entire century. It's dumb. That's my point.
There's no constituency that Nazism appeals to. It makes no sense to be dog whistling to Nazis or any other form of hinting at it. It's utterly deranged to see Nazis everywhere.
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I agree. Seeing nazis everywhere... it's silly and it's not called for.
But do I think there could be a nazi-sympathizer or closet white supremacist/nazi in the White House running things? I mean it's not beyond the scope of possibility...
It is possible and if you look at twitter frankly it's filled with alt-right neo-white supremacist nonsense everywhere it's not the only thing on twitter obviously but there's a lot of it.
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This post is about the Bellamy salute which looks a lot like the Nazi salute. Its usage halted for that reason. But its not actually the same salute either.
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