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In your country, do you pay a fee to the Gov for working as a freelancer?

609 sats \ 11 comments \ @criptopanas 17 Jan econ

In Spain, if you want to create your own business you need to pay a monthly fee to the Government, this fee will create a fund for your retirement or if you get sick.

If your business is making up to 670 EUR / month, you have to pay 230 EUR as a fee. If your business is making 670 to 900 EUR / month, you have to pay 250 EUR as a fee. If your business is making 900 to 1125 EUR / month, you have to pay 270 EUR as a fee. If your business is making 1125 to 1300 EUR / month, you have to pay 290 EUR as a fee. ...... If your business is making 2030 to 2330 EUR / month, you have to pay 390 EUR as a fee.

Thats why, you will never find a freelancer on sick-leave or enjoying holidays...

How is the system in your country?

I worked in Australia and we were able to have a small business without paying any monthly feed.

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14 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 17 Jan

Those are outrageously large shares of monthly earnings. I imagine many Spanish freelancers are completely off the books.

13 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xIlmari 17 Jan

I think this is very similar all over the European Socialist Utopia. Running any sort of microbusiness is straight up insanity because you have to pay some parasitic leeches just for existing more than you could possibly earn.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @cryptoshalix 18 Jan

For this reason, it is better to start as a company, create a Limited Company or a Public Limited Company.

I have been looking at these issues for some time, and I am hesitating between collecting in Bitcoin and/or fiat in accounts abroad, or creating a company, even if it is with only one partner.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SwapMarket 17 Jan

Plus you get to pay a "gestor" every month to do your accounting. Because it is insanely complicated. But they bear no responsibility for mistakes, which still happen. Worse yet, firms convince job seekers, especially foreign immigrants, to register as self employed so that the firms save on taxes.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @rblb 17 Jan

I did the math and it is pretty much what we are supposed to pay in italy, except that we have ways to legally trick it.

Eg. if you use the right combination of taxcode and profession, the state will require you to not pay taxes on a % of your income due to it being considered expenses, while your actual expenses are much lower, giving you a defacto taxcut. This is 100% legal, the catch is that you need to have some favorable conditions to benefit from it and close but not more than 85k yr income (the closer you get to the limit the more favorable it is).

If you don't have a way to do this in spain, things look very bad.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bitcoiner1 17 Jan

The monthly fee is the "cuota" column.

Almost impossible to start your own business legally...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan 17 Jan

yes, they're called taxes.

Oh, you wanna divvy up the taxes into fee this, fee that? Nah, blow me.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Satosora 17 Jan

Isnt this just taxes?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @criptopanas OP 17 Jan

No, taxes comes later.

This fee is only to have your business open.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @anon 17 Jan

What if you get paid in Bitcoin? How will they track you when you spend peer to peer to pay for groceries and rent?

18 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xIlmari 17 Jan

They can't track you but taxes are still owed so if anyone rats you out (undercover tax collectors are know to set up "provocations"), you're in trouble.