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1488 sats \ 34 comments \ @Undisciplined 1 Jan lightning

So, the computer that was running my Alby Hub node crashed a couple of days ago. This threw me into a bit of a panic, to say the least. I spent the rest of that day and most of yesterday trying to troubleshoot the computer.

I was definitely worried that I wouldn't be able to restore the node. This has been my first foray at running a lightning node. I don't normally keep much on there, but I was in the process of moving a decently large amount of sats around when it crashed, which left me concerned about being able to make my territory payments on SN.

Fortunately, I did manage to get Alby Hub running again long enough to make the backup file used to migrate a node to another device.

Then, I just followed the guide on Alby's website and in no time my node was up and running on another computer. (I believe this would have worked without the backup file, but I was relieved to be able to retrieve it)

It never ceases to amaze me that bitcoin stuff just sort of works, as long as you have your keys (of course).

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58 sats \ 4 replies \ @IamSINGLE 2 Jan

Congratulations! I want to ask a question for a straight answer. Should everyone run a node to achieve the goals of Bitcoin?

36 sats \ 2 replies \ @TheBTCManual 2 Jan

Everyone who has the ability to do so, should consider it but reality is always going to be a minority who do so, it does blow my mind that a few thousand nodes are verifying a 2 trillion dollar asset class but that's the world we live in

I don't think its feasible to ask everyone to run a node to use the network, and thats proven by the market, how many people are using hot wallet software with their own node? I venture to say not many

While I do run a node myself, I do use it for F'ing around, learning about new software I can run ontop of Bitcoin and so I have more of an incentive to run one, versus someone who just buys and hodls

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @IamSINGLE 2 Jan

Thanks. I'm a holder so it just doesn't make sense, right?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TheBTCManual 2 Jan

As long as you're happy to trust the person whose node you're using to broadcast to the chain, but yeah not really part of the ethos of don't trust, verify

23 sats \ 0 replies \ @SatoshiNakanodo 2 Jan

If you're reading this you probably should. You already have the skills required to do so, and in the long run, it helps you and Bitcoin.

52 sats \ 3 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 1 Jan

I'm out of the loop here. How do you recover a channel without a backup? Are you using a paid service or your own software? I know Alby offers backups. #804660

54 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 1 Jan

It's not a paid service and I don't know how the technology works.

Once I made the backup file, the node was no longer usable on the original computer. When I launched Alby Hub on another device, one of the options was to do so with that backup file. All the channels loaded with all the balances they had when the crash happened.

38 sats \ 1 reply \ @SatoshiNakanodo 2 Jan

So you run Alby Hub on its own, without your own Bitcoin/Lightning node?

I'm just trying to understand your setup. I use Alby Hub for payments running on top of my node, but I didn't realize you could also run it as a standalone app. Interesting.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 2 Jan

You can use it as a standalone lighting node.

52 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby 1 Jan

This is why we nominated you as new sheriff of Econ. Crisis management.

40 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan 1 Jan

lol. Accurate

41 sats \ 5 replies \ @poe7645 1 Jan

I've found that not panicking, patience, and a little research usually ends up working out. The "just sort of works" thing definitely is relatable from my time fucking around and finding out.

My lightning node is an experiment I'm willing to accept the loss on. But I'm also relatively comfortable that any eventual force closes from a borked state will show up somewhere I control eventually. Minus any closure fees 😂🫡

51 sats \ 3 replies \ @denlillaapan 1 Jan

That's true and that often fascinates me.

What also happens is that I have nooo clue what's going on, and couldn't explain it if someone asked me #829853

36 sats \ 0 replies \ @poe7645 1 Jan

But more people means you're catering to a clientele that will be less tech savvy and less willing/able to connect fivehundred things and run them noncustodially

For real,

I've had to resync neutrino peers on self custodial LSP wallets, waited (intentionally) a over a month for my low fee transaction to clear when fees spiked, experimented with RFB and CPFP just so I understand the basics if I need to use it.

If you are't at least knee deep in all the technobabble shit to actually understand that it is working just as it should... I've sort of given up the whole "pilling" thing.

25 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan 2 Jan

Ok, @Undisciplined. I'm clearly losing it.

Saw this post and started responding:

stressful, man. Also impressive that you pulled it off.

...turns out I already answered yesterday.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 2 Jan

Just like voting, you should reply early and often.

77 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 1 Jan

I tend to have a similar outlook. This happened at the worst possible time, as I was trying to get some finances taken care of for the year and had a lot more volume going through than normal.

39 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 2 Jan

#833381

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 2 Jan

We'll see. I actually think you'll be right about people using Cowboy Credits pretty heavily and just making infrequent withdrawals.

36 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 2 Jan

You can't withdraw CCs. That's why are named "credits", are used only internally inside SN. Same as the "gold" in the game WoW. And is just fine like that.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 2 Jan

I understand that. Rewards payout as real sats and will accumulate in your SN wallet, if you don't have an attached wallet. That's what I'm talking about.

40 sats \ 5 replies \ @OT 1 Jan

What are you using on the back end of Albyhub? LND?

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 1 Jan

I think it's LND, but I didn't set it manually. Whatever the default is, that's what I'm using.

39 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 2 Jan

No is by default is LDK. You should pay more attention to all these details.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 2 Jan

Probably, but I still don't know what any of it means, so it goes in one ear and out the other.

42 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 2 Jan

Your lack of LN knowledge is disturbing

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 2 Jan

Ok, I"m learning by doing. So far, I haven't needed to know the significance of those differences.

24 sats \ 0 replies \ @cryotosensei 2 Jan

Congratulations! You levelled up in term of competency 👍

34 sats \ 1 reply \ @nym 1 Jan

Congrats I haven’t made the migration yet.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 1 Jan

I hope you won't have to anytime soon, but it is fairly painless.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @itsTomekK 3 Jan

Nice, i was also a bit afraid of doing the migration, but then was surprised how smooth it was

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @RayBuni 2 Jan

Phewww, good to hear.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Miranda 2 Jan

I am certainly out of that topic, these days I saw how to mine BTC and I decided to try NiceHash, but it gave me error in the authentication factor, they have a Linux based system but the computer I have on it I perform several tasks and several of them are on Microsoft so I can not now migrate to Linux, I want to read something about Alby Hub and learn more about this topic. thanks for sharing. sats to all.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nym 2 Jan

And be aware of the minimum withdrawal threshold.