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I'm prompted to write this after seeing that my part time job offers tuition reimbursement to full time workers, and that I could become a full time worker and get essentially get a full ride to complete my bachelors through flexible and remote courses.
Shoutout to the advice I got from a few Stackers
Just know that degrees dont mean as much as they did in the past. If you invest this time in to school, will it pay off later? It depends on what degree you will be getting, and how quickly you can complete the coursework.
I was in a similar grind a full-time gig and a side hustle while chasing my degree. Ended up specializing in cybersecurity and the degree definitely opened doors I hadn’t even considered. My tip structure is key. Treat your study time like a third job, and don’t skimp on self care. You’ve already got that hustle mindset, so you’re halfway there. Go for it, but keep the balance in check! Good luck!
This is how I ended up becoming an economist. I had a couple of jobs, one of which offered tuition benefits, and I took a couple of classes a semester until I finished an econ degree. Then, off to grad school. I say you should do it, as long as you're confident you can handle the workload.
Among many others.
Shoutout to the advice I got from a few Nostritches
The Nostr freaks were overall against it, while SN freaks were overall for it.
I've reached a dilemma. The dilemma is "why am I doing this?" Are my intentions pure and honorable, or is this fiat credentialism rearing its ugly head. Is this me wanting to better myself and contribute value to the world or is this not staying humble
Am I risking something that I cant see at the moment, should my energy be spent doing other things; starting a business, Freelancing harder, Contributing to open source harder, Spending more time with the wife and kid on the way.
Over the past few years I've become grumbly shouting at friends and family about evil fiat and perfect perfect bitcoin. At what point do I pull a satoshi, and move on to other things. At what point do I take my own advice, realize that I probably have enough bitcoin, and enjoy life.
I'll try to articulate my thoughts the best I can.......although this is a ramble
I want to get a bachelors degree and potentially become a lawyer for the reasons below
  1. Stick it to the haters. I naively jumped around telling a few family members what I would do with my life and thought becoming a lawyer wasn't too far fetched. They did, and thought I was crazy and couldn't do it. Fuck em.
  2. I have 30 college credits to go towards a bachelors, a lot of time to complete classes, approaching 6 years of experience working at an IP law firm, a rinky dink paralegal certificate, and the possibility to have it all paid for without spending any sats. So the goal seems oddly obtainable.
  3. LLM's are great at homework
  4. It would make my wife and unborn child more proud of me, which I believe is good.
  5. I want to excel in my career and have good job opportunities moving forward. With a bachelors I'd be able to obtain higher paying jobs and have a formidable resume to take advantage of more opportunities as they come by.
  6. I have a growing interest in learning this stuff. I think about the samurai wallet boys and keep a side eye on the trial. I'm a sovereign individual thesis guy, and want to see the how the laws will bend to support a new technological paradigm.
  7. I read "come and take it" by Cody Wilson and followed a bit of his journey and thought his fight and thoughts on the courts were pretty cool.
In Conclusion, I'm typing these rambling thoughts while working on my part time job, which may become a 2nd full time, because I might head back to school to finish my bachelors, while recognizing that college degrees are mostly scams for suckers.
Kids come out of highschool and are sold the lie that, this is the only path forward. That if you dont go to fancy university than your life is shit. Society looks down upon you with a mocking and judgmental glare. Your parents arent proud of you, and you need to give a very good explanation on why you're throwing your life away. So instead of facing a tidal wave of scrutiny, most kids who can end up going to college and getting into a crazy amount of debt, or dropping out essentially wasting their time while postulating like they were trying to "find themselves". The idea of school in fiat is a rough one anyway, the campuses are communist lgbtq government obediance propaganda training grounds siphoning first principle thinking from its victims with a spooky efficiency.
Ah, wait that was supposed to be a conclusion. Let me try again.
In Conclusion, College degrees are mostly scams for suckers, but maybe armed with better knowledge of what i'm getting into, a bit more focus and more realistic expectations; I can appropriately navigate through the treacherous marshes of keynsian brainwashing into the orange light of sticking it to the man.
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Great choices, lol.
Not entirely suitable to OP's situation, given that he mostly want his degree for vanity reasons -- and is in a good professional position to do that
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I guess you are right
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Will take a look.
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I really like that you seem clear now. I already told you that you've that hustle mindset. Now do whatever it feels like you need to do because I want to see you not regret things that you may say like, 'I wish I would've taken that advice.' I didn’t listen to society, my family, my friends. I did what seemed right to me and pursued my career. I've got this one life, and I would be responsible for making it great. Good luck, sir!
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The advice and support is much appreciated!
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I want to see you happy, not regretful, thinking "Oh, if I had done this, things would be different. You've got this one awesome life no matter what happens, do what you like!
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True.
Regret is a killer. And I have a lot to be thankful for.
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Go for it, dude.
I can't believe I'm saying this -- given that my standard trope these days is "The most important think I learnt at Oxford is that you can have a PhD and still be an idiot -- but yeah, your situation is an awesome one. Unique/unusual and not at all generalizable to *university" for the broader public
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I agree they are a scam. We should learn by doing things. Institutions are were you go to fill your brain with garbage.
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Going to college is worth it if you know what you want to get out of it, and if you avoid certain majors (usually ones that end in the word "studies")
Given your background, I might even recommend an economics degree with the intent of going to law school afterwards (lots of econ majors do that.) You won't get that much woke stuff in econ. Outside of the engineering departments, econ departments are usually the least woke.
Just one thing you said that I'd push back against:
  • "LLMs are great at homework"
You won't get as much out of college if you have a mentality of wanting to skip homework. You should think of homework like practice, i.e. guitar practice, football practice, etc. It's how you get better at your craft. If you don't do homework you won't be as skilled as the students who did, and that's going to be reflective in your later job opportunities
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Joel Waldfogel told me about this years ago when I considered both majoring in econ and applying to law school. I ended up doing neither but I do regret not majoring in econ
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Applying microeconomic theory to law is wild.
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David Friedman's father is the late great Milton Friedman
from chat gpt:
David Friedman is a prominent economist and legal scholar, best known for his work in the areas of law and economics, as well as for his contributions to libertarian theory. His approach to law and economics emphasizes the application of economic reasoning to legal questions, with a particular focus on how legal rules can be structured to promote efficiency, freedom, and justice.

Key Concepts in David Friedman's Law and Economics:

  1. Efficiency and Wealth Maximization: Friedman's work is grounded in the idea that economic analysis can be used to evaluate the efficiency of legal rules. In his influential book Law's Order: What Economics Has to Do with Law and Why It Matters, he argues that legal rules should be evaluated based on their ability to maximize wealth or overall economic welfare. This approach mirrors the economic philosophy of the Coase Theorem, which suggests that, under certain conditions, private parties can negotiate efficient outcomes in the absence of government intervention.
  2. Private Law and Anarchism: Friedman is also known for his contributions to the theory of anarcho-capitalism, where he suggests that private individuals, rather than the state, should provide the services typically associated with government, such as law enforcement and adjudication. He argues that a system of private law, enforced by voluntary agreements and private courts, could be more efficient and just than the state-imposed legal system.
  3. Contract Law and Property Rights: In Friedman's framework, property rights and contract law play crucial roles in creating incentives for individuals to engage in productive activities and resolve disputes efficiently. He argues that laws governing property and contracts should be designed to minimize transaction costs and allow for voluntary agreements to flourish.
  4. Cost-Benefit Analysis in Legal Rules: A key aspect of Friedman's law and economics approach is his reliance on cost-benefit analysis to assess legal rules. He believes that laws should be designed to maximize social benefits while minimizing costs. For example, laws against fraud or theft should be evaluated not just on moral grounds but on the practical benefits they provide in terms of reducing harm and fostering economic transactions.
  5. Critique of Traditional Legal Analysis: Friedman critiques traditional legal scholarship, which often focuses on moral, philosophical, or doctrinal considerations. Instead, he advocates for a more empirical and pragmatic approach, using economic tools to determine the most efficient and just legal outcomes. He is critical of the idea that legal systems should enforce moral or redistributive goals without considering the economic consequences.
  6. Punishment and Deterrence: In line with economic reasoning, Friedman also analyzes criminal law through the lens of deterrence theory. He emphasizes that the effectiveness of punishment should be evaluated based on its ability to deter crime at the lowest possible cost, rather than on retributive or corrective justice principles.

Important Works by David Friedman:

  1. "The Machinery of Freedom" (1973): This book is a seminal work in the anarcho-capitalist tradition, where Friedman discusses how a stateless society could function, relying on voluntary exchanges, private law enforcement, and competitive dispute resolution mechanisms.
  2. "Law's Order: What Economics Has to Do with Law and Why It Matters" (2000): This is perhaps his most well-known work on law and economics. In this book, Friedman provides a comprehensive overview of how economic principles can be applied to various branches of law, such as property law, tort law, and contract law.
  3. "Hidden Order: The Economics of Everyday Life" (1996): While not exclusively focused on law, this book explores how economic reasoning can be applied to everyday activities and decisions, and touches upon legal concepts indirectly through discussions of incentives and behavior.

Contributions to the Law and Economics Movement:

David Friedman's work has significantly influenced the law and economics movement, which applies economic analysis to understand and improve legal systems. While his focus on efficiency and wealth maximization has sometimes drawn criticism from those who emphasize moral or redistributive goals, his insights into how legal systems function and can be improved from an economic standpoint are widely respected in the academic and policy-making communities.
Friedman's interdisciplinary approach to law and economics has also made him a key figure in bridging the gap between legal theory and economics, offering an alternative to the more statist approaches of traditional legal scholars. His advocacy for a market-oriented view of law, emphasizing voluntary contracts and decentralized enforcement, continues to be influential in discussions on legal reform and economic policy.
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Microeconomics encourages systematic thinking which too many judges, mostly left wing, lack
Too many judges are also economically literate.
Take monopolies and anti trust law for example.
  1. does company Z have dominant market share?
  2. more importantly, does dominant market share increase or decrease consumer surplus or utiity?
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An econ major would be interesting, good to know about general anti woke sentiments in the department.
And you're right about the homework piece.
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I recommend majoring in econ because it will help you in any field you pursue after college, law school or otherwise
I don't think I have met an econ major who regretted it. And none pursued graduate work in econ
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The Nostr freaks were overall against it, while SN freaks were overall for it.
I wonder - are nostriches more anti-college because they're younger than the folks on Stacker News?
Any other theories about why this would be?
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